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Gene Sparrow Posted on Mar 17, 2012
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Using 3 way dimmer, lights don't appear to go to full light

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Hi Gene,

When two 3-way switches are used to control a light - and you wish to install a dimmer, you replace only ONE of the switches. If you replace both switches with dimmers, and one dimmer is set to 50%, the light will only be able to get to 50% bright; regardless even if the other switch is set to 100%. The light can only get as bright as the current lowest dimmer position of either switch.

Most modern dimmers are solid state, and should be able to get full power to the lamps. Older dimmers aren't very efficient and work a little differently - but should still do a good job as far as brightness of the lamp. You can run into trouble trying to dim CFL (compact fluorescent lamps) if they are not labeled specifically for use with a dimmer. Even those that are labeled for use with a dimmer have a noticeably short range of dimming when compared to standard tungsten lamps, and tend to have an audible buzzing sound.

If this doesn't answer your question, please provide the wattage, type and number of lamps in the fixture. Your dimmer is rated for up to 600 watts, but may be less if it is in a switchbox with other dimmers or you have broken off portions of the heat shield as directed by the instructions.

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  • Posted on Sep 10, 2009

SOURCE: LUTRON DIMMER

The Lutron Maestro dimmer isn't rated or designed to operate low voltage lighting as it is a 120 V-AC rated electronic dimmer. You should either install a standard low voltage ON/OFF switch on this installation or obtain a dimmer rated for use on low voltage lights.

You need special low voltage dimmer designed for use on the low voltage pucks lights you have installed. Usually the low voltage is either 12, 24, or 36 volts, depending on the manufacturer of your particular light set. Once the correct dimmer is in place, the problem with the flickering and pulsing of the lights, should cease.

If you still are having this problem and you can't find a low voltage dimmer, you can contact the maker of your low voltage light kit and they can provide you with an acceptable dimmer option for your lights.

Most Home Depot and Lowe's carry the low voltage puck light kits, and usually have accessories for these lights, including dimmer switches that will work with them.

Hope you find this Very Helpful and best regards!

PS: I found this old, unanswered question and wanted to provide a solution to close out the problem and clear the question from the site.

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Anonymous

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  • Posted on Jan 05, 2010

SOURCE: I am replacing an old dimmer switch with a new

ON one side of your switch it is connected with a small peice of metal or should be. That is why it only explains 3 wire instead of 4. If you look you can find the one you need with 4 spots to put your wires. Just look or ask your store for what you need. They can be very helpful in helping you find what your looking for. Hope this helps.

Anonymous

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  • Posted on May 22, 2010

SOURCE: wiring Question

No, the way the motor speed control works is different from the way a light dims. If you connect it, it might work for a while, but it will either burn up the dimmer or the fan motor.

Anonymous

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  • Posted on Jan 08, 2011

SOURCE: installed a 3 way dimmer switch and now the lights

If you could describe the previous lights/switches configuration and how it was changed, I think I can help solve your problem.

Charlie

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  • Posted on Sep 12, 2011

SOURCE: I am replacing a Lightolier

It depends. Some dimmers are considered "smart dimmers," where the control on the other end of the 3-way has to be intelligent enough to send a signal back to the dimmer. If the Lightolier dimmer was a smart dimmer, then chances are that the 3-way control was designed to talk only to that specific dimmer. The Leviton product you replaced it with is a simple, basic dimmer - it should work in conjunction with a simple, basic 3-way switch.

If the 3-way control already IS a simple, basic 3-way switch - then I would simply re-check the wiring of the dimmer you replaced.

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