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I am installinga 4548 inverter. At 4500 watts, it puts out approximately 20 amp per phase. My generater that will feed the charging current for the batteries will put outapproximately 28 amps. Is the output of the inverter now 48 amps?

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Let just wait a minute. You have an inverter that is rated at 4500 watts. This spooky. The inverter has a three phase input/three phase output? What is the inverter going to be used for?

Next question. What type of batteries are you using and what is the voltage/current in series or parallel? What will be the total voltage you will producing with the batteries? What is the total current of the batteries.

Another question? What is the voltage of the 28 amps? If it going to dump 28 amps across some batteries that rated at 12 volts and 1400 amp/hrs. For 12 volt batteries with a total of 1400 amps. What you will need approx 14 to 14 1/2 DC and with 28 amps across the batteries for charging these batteries. The batteries will be gone in about 1 hour. Boil all the water out of them. When a battery starts to boil it release water with hydrogen gas (the gas is very explosive and dangerous).

You also don't have a regulation circuit to limit the amount of current depending on the needs of the batteries. Also, you don't have a trickle charger to keep the batteries fully charge when the batteries are idle.

You will also need DC regulated charger that will keep the voltage 2-4 volts above you battery voltage. Without this voltage above the batteries voltage it will not charge those batters. Batteries need to forced to except a charge that why voltage above the source voltage. If you can check the voltage on your car/truck with a 12 volt system. While engine is running the voltage across the battery will be 13.8 to 14.1 volts. Now, the current limiter is the alternator it has a regulator built into it for stabiizing voltage and current went the batteries require more current but it limited by alternator regulator
Now, to get more current out of the alternator the regulator will supply dc voltage to the stator of the alternator generator more current. More dc voltage is supplied by the regulator but the dc voltages is limit to about 24 volts. Another limiting factor is the alternator copper windings diameter---larger diameter more current, small diameter less current. Utilities systems use big mega watts generators. The maxi um dc voltage for these three phase generator would like 500 to 800dc volts for peak to peak output. There is a simpler way of doing this.

You need to rethink everything here. Also, I can help you if you supply the needed information.
I truly wish you luck in your electrical endeavors. GB you. stewbison

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If you want to get more precise, figure out everything in terms of power (watts).

Basic electrical rule 1, 2 and 3:

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For example, 12V X 2 amps = 24 watts.

or another example, 400 watts divided by 120 Volts = 3.33 amps

A 55W headlight that uses 12V would draw 55 /12 = 4.6 amps @ 12V

A 55 watt light bulb in a lamp at home would draw 55 / 120 = 0.46 amps @ 120V


As the previous post mentioned, inverters are not perfect when convertering 12V into 120V. If the converter consumes 1000W from the 12V battery, then a 90% effecient converter would generate 900W of 120V AC power best case. The other 100W is lost primarily as heat.

The other thing that gets tricky is that these ratings and the formula above are used for resistive loads, like light bulbs or hair dryers. Anything with a motor or transformer is considered an inductive load and can get much more tricky to calculate.

Consequently you need to give your self a safety margin when figuring out how big an inverter you need.

How does work in a practical sense?

Lets say you want an inverter for TV, DVD and Sat. Receiver. Look at the back of TV or in the manual. It should say how many watts it consumes. Lets say it is 400W. The DVD might be 100W and the Sat. receiver 50W - just as an example.

400 + 100 + 50 = 550 Watts. (just as an example)

You might think, well no problem, I'll use a 600 Watt inverter and have 50 watts left over. Depending on your inverter, that 600W might really be 600 x 90% effecient = 540 Watts of AC, less a 20% margin of error for the inductive transformers in the electronic of the TV, DVD and Sat. receiver 540 - 20% = 432 Watts.

Now you can see your 600 Watt inverter isn't big enough to do the job.

If we really need 550 watts of AC, add 10% to make up the effiency loss, then add a safety margin for inductive loads.

550 + 10% = 605 + 20% = 726 Watts.

Sounds more like an 800W inverter fits the job.

What does that mean in terms of wiring the 12V batteries to the inverter?

from the formula above:

current = power divided by voltage

In our example, we have an 800W inverter that runs on 12V

The current would thererfore be:

current = power divided by voltage
current = 800 watts divided by 12V
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That is important info because you can not use light gauge wire to carry 66 amps worth of 12V to the inverter nor could you use a 20A fuse to protect your inverter.

Now that's a lot of science for a guy who just wants to run a toaster on an inverter right?

800W / 120V = 6.66 amps

Using garryp's ratio 11:1, 6.66 x 11 = 73 amps.

That is a good ratio with a good safety margin.

This is all just MHO and should not taken as solid technical advise. In other words, don't blame me if you blow yourself up.
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