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My '92 drs 350 has a leaky fuel petcock. it is a vacuum assist type. What would happen if I override the vacuum assist by just installing a solid gasket in place of the diaphram assembly? Flooding, leaking carb? or just epa stuff?

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It may be ok , but many bikes flood when sitting over night and fill the sump with fuel. if the carb float doesnt quite seal.
Not sure about epa , I think it shouldnt be a problem unless carb overflows and drips on the ground, during the inspection.

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You can also test the vacuum release of the fuel petcock without taking anything apart. Put a mity-vac (a hand-pumped vacuum pump) on the vac line to the fuel petcock and see whether you can get the fuel to flow. Harbor Freight sells a cheap mity-vac type pump for under $20 when it goes on sale (which it does regularly).
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Check the fuel petcock to see if there's a similar-sized fitting.

Most carbureted motorcycles use vacuum lines for one thing only: To apply vacuum to the fuel petcock so it'll turn the fuel supply on ONLY when there is vacuum being applied.

Though the same bikes also typically have positions on them that override the vacuum safety system.

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Unlike a car, most bikes carry their fuel ABOVE the carb, and instead of a fuel pump, use gravity to feed the carbs. If you've got a petcock that's always open, only the float needles in the carbs hold back the fuel flow, and these are prone to being held at least partially open. The tiniest speck of debris can do it.

And the results can range from annoying to catastrophic.

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