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Spongy Front brakes, braided hoses fitted direct to each caliper from master cylinder, also replaced brake master cylinder seals, bleed them to death, to remove air, pressure remains constant at brake leaver, but leaver almost touches the handle bar, hung calipers straight down with leaver tied back to handle bar over night no change, brakes do not pump up so do not suspect air in system any ideas,

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Try using a line locker close to master cyclinder ,lever should go rock hard if it has no air in system,work line locker down lines to see if lever stays hard.
also check the lever travel to make sure that lever is pushing on master cyclinder plunger as a lot of after market levers dont have correct casting and have to travel in a long way before brakes work even when system is bled. also check to make sure calliper carriers are not bent and pads not sitting square on rotors.
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