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XR 100 didnt move for a year.My bad so i cleaned the carb,jets,floats,needle slide. Motor cycle starts on the 1st kick with choke on full idles fine.When you touch the throtle or click the choke to middle position bike bogs down and dies.What is left?

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  • hunterv May 17, 2009

    I have taken the carb of and cleaned the slow jets and main jets with carb cleaner and a needle file for the holes. I have done this 3 times thinking i missed some thing.

  • hunterv May 17, 2009

    yes i have new gas,sprayed around intake with wd40 no change in ide speed.

  • hunterv May 17, 2009

    Thank you for your assistance i found the problem. It was a small jet in the bottom of the slow jet where the screw driver goes to unscrew the jet. It was clogged now it runs great and has better throtle response.

  • Bob B May 11, 2010

    Sounds like your main jet is plugged. When you say cleaned did you go so far as to boil? If not do it again this time boil the carb for a good 10 minutes and flush it all out with compressed air and then replace main jet, sounds liek your idle may be OK though it should run with the choke off.

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First Make sure you have all new fresh gas,and new fuel filter,Then check the intake tube between the head and carb for cracks or leaks,And You'll need to go back through the carb again as this is a carb issue,But without doing the above first,a clean carb won't be clean for long.

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    Spraying WD40 wouldn't change the idle since the crack,if present would now be just sucking in a little oil,It would just make it smoke a little if anything at all.

    But like I said before,This is a carb issue,The carb jets need to be cleaned again as well as the rest of the carb.



    Also,If you plan on using the advice posted by the other person about boiling,All plastic and rubber seals,float,o-ring,strainers,ETC.......... Must be removed first and once you are done boiling,All water must be blown out with air before reassembly.

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    Also,Please consider changing the rating to a fixya,since I have provided the solution to your problem.

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Replace the jets you put a file through. They are longer the size they are supposed to be. You're flooding. You might be able to adjust the flow but, it won't be to the recommended number of turns on the screws. The hardest thing that should ever go into the jet holes is a toothpick.

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