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Does the ring expander go on the top or bottom ring?

I am overhauling a h2 and the NOS pistons have a ring expander? Where does it go?

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Hi,
In a 2 ring configuration, the compression ring is the top ring, and the expander is the bottom. In the manual, the order of disassembly of the rings, the compression ring is removed off the top first, then the expander.
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