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08 honda pilot-cupping tire wear on rear drivers side. told camber off 1 degree. told cant be adjusted-- do i need to replace the rear arm (looks like tie rod) with an adjustable arm (Expensive) or a bolt (camber bolt kit) (cheap)? also the shop weve had it at cant find eather part

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What you need is an alignment. to have an alignment done, no parts need to be replaced. the car is put on a machine which measures 3 things on the wheels. then after the measurments are in, the suspension is adjusted, which makes your tire wear even. but like i said, no place needs to be replaced for an alignment. unless the part is visually damaged or making unusual noises it shouldnt need to be replaced. also, regular mechanics usually dont have the equipment to measure if your alignment is off or not. which means you have to take it to an alignment specialist, and they should give you a price of how much it should cost. usually is around 100 dollars for one pair of wheels(front or back) and should be under 200 for both front and back. hope this helps, goodluck.

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