Sunroof control module for 91 subaru sambar van.when i press the open and close position,nothing happens,when i connect power straight to the sunroof motor,it works

Is there anything else to check before changing the motors ? Yeah , hook up a factory or some other type of professional scanner an check for DTC'S - diagnostic trouble codes,also to see if the scanner will communicate with the modules. Changing batterys without a alternate power supply can cause modules to go to sleep permanently.

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Power Sunroof System Components
The Power Sunroof and Sunshade System consists of the following components:
• Sunroof control module
• Sunshade control module
• Sunroof switch
• Sunshade switch
• Rail and track assembly upon which the sunroof and sunshade glass rides
• S/ROOF/SUNSHADE Fuse 30 A
• Body control module (BCM)


Don't be a parts changer, learn how to diagnose! So before you go wasting your money on parts not needed see if a professional scanner can communicate with all the modules on the vehicle.

The Power Sunroof System will operate only with the ignition turned to the RUN or Accessory positions, this allows for retained accessory power (RAP) control of the sunroof and sunshade through the body control module (BCM). With the ignition in the run or accessory positions, the BCM supplies the sunroof and sunshade control modules with ignition voltage which allows sunroof and sunshade operation. Once the ignition switch is turned to OFF the sunroof will continue to operate until any door is opened or when the RAP timer reaches its shut-off limit. For a description and operation of the RAP operation, refer to Retained Accessory Power (RAP) Description and Operation.


Circuit/System Description
The sunroof and sunroof shade modules supply each of the switch signal circuits with a 12-volt reference. When a switch is pressed the signal circuit is pulled low signaling the sunroof or sunroof shade open or close request. The modules determine the motor direction based on inputs received from the sunroof switches. When the modules reverse the polarity of the applied voltage, the motors reverse direction. The sunroof shade module contains the logic for opening and closing the sunshade based on Serial Data from the sunroof control module. Ignition voltage is supplied to the sunroof and sunroof shade modules by the BCM. B+ is applied to the sunroof and sunroof shade modules via the S/ROOF fuse.
The sunroof shade module contains the logic for opening and closing the sunshade based on Serial Data from the sunroof control module. The sunroof shade module internally applies voltage and ground to the appropriate circuits of the reversible sunshade motor in order to move the sunshade panel to the open or closed positions.

First off this is controlled by a module (computer) The switch would only have five volts . 5volt reference voltage from the control module . Not knowing how to test the electrical circuit's for this could be expensive . Short out the module or 5 volt ref. voltage circuit inside the module.
Your best bet , take it to a qualified repair shop . Look at a wiring diagram here http://www.bbbind.com/free_tsb.html Enter vehicle info. year , make , model and engine size . Under system click on body & accessories ,then under subsystem click sun roof . Then click search button then the blue link . Now tell me you under stand what's happening here .

Power Sunroof System Components
The power sunroof system consists of the following components:
• Sunroof control module
• Sunroof Opening Position Switch (SOPS)
• Sunroof switch
• Sunroof motor/actuator
• Sunroof glass (spoiler type, with glass sliding above roof)
• Sunshade
• Rail and track assembly upon which the sunroof glass rides
• Power supply for the sunroof control module: SUNROOF 20 A fuse
• Ground from G302

Sunroof Opening Position Switch (SOPS)
The SOPS tracks the position of the glass through 2 limit switches:
• Soft stop limit
• Vent limit
The sunroof control module monitors the limit switches and based on the inputs determines the position of the sunroof glass. As a limit switch closes, the 5 volt reference will be shorted to the sunroof limit switch low reference circuit, pulling down the 5 volt reference to 0 volts.
The sunroof control module understands the position of the sunroof glass based on the different input combinations through the sunroof limit switch soft stop signal and sunroof limit switch open vent signal circuits.

Power Sunroof Does Not Close
Perform the Initialization/Teach Process any time a new sunroof motor actuator is installed in the vehicle or any time an existing sunroof motor actuator is removed from the vehicle. Refer to Sunroof Motor/Actuator Initialization/Teach Process .

Power Sunroof System Components
The power sunroof system consists of the following components:
• One tilting glass sunroof panel--For sunroof vent functions
• Three sliding glass sunroof panels, which allow the sunroof to open in sections
• Power sunshade panel--An adaptable panel which is rolled out or rolled in and stored by the sunshade motor/actuator in order to cover or uncover the sunroof glass panels
• Power sunroof switch--A rotary style switch controlling sunroof switch signal inputs to the sunroof motor/actuator
• Power sunshade switch--A momentary press style switch controlling sunshade switch signal inputs to the sunshade motor/actuator
• Power sunroof motor/actuator--Comprised of both the sunroof motor/actuator and the sunroof electronic control module, it is sometimes referred to as the sunroof control module/motor assembly.
• Power sunshade motor/actuator--Comprised of both the sunshade motor/actuator and the sunshade electronic control module, it is sometimes referred to as the sunroof slave module.
Sunroof Motor/Actuator and Sunroof Switch
The sunroof motor/actuator assembly is located at the rear of the passenger compartment, above the rear view window, between the headliner and the roof structure. The sunroof motor/actuator assembly also contains the sunroof electronic control module and the two components are serviced together as a unit.
Battery positive voltage is supplied to the motor/actuator at all times through the 25-amp LAMELLA ROOF fuse located in the rear fuse block. Whenever the ignition is turned to RUN or ACCESSORY, or when the retained accessory power (RAP) system is active, the motor/actuator is also supplied battery positive voltage through the accessory voltage circuit and the 10-amp ROOF/HEAT SEAT fuse which is located in the body control module (BCM). The sunroof motor/actuator is grounded through splice S403 to body ground G302.
The sunroof motor/actuator supplies voltage to the sunroof switch through three internal resistors and three hard wire circuits. The 3 hard wire circuits are:
• Sunroof switch data 1 signal circuit
• Sunroof switch data 2 signal circuit
• Sunroof switch data 3 signal circuit
The sunroof switch, which is also grounded to G302, is a rotary style switch. When the switch control lever is turned in a rotational direction, the appropriate switch contacts and signal circuits for the selected mode are simultaneously opened and/or closed to ground in order to provide the appropriate combination of voltage signals to the sunroof motor/actuator. The sunroof motor/actuator interprets the signals, and then applies battery positive voltage and ground to the appropriate circuits of the integral power sunroof motor in order to move the sunroof glass panels. At the same time, the sunroof motor/actuator sends a serial data message, via the keyword 2000 serial data circuit, to the sunshade motor/actuator to open the sunshade panel in conjunction with the sunroof glass. As the sunroof glass panels slide rearward to the open position, the sunshade motor/actuator simultaneously rolls in the adaptable sunshade panel.
The sunroof switch is mounted in a bezel which is located above the rearview mirror.


Circuit/System Description
The sunroof system is controlled by the sunroof switch and the sunroof control module/motor assembly, which is also known as the motor/actuator assembly.
The sunroof control module is supplied battery positive voltage at all times through the 15A SUNROOF fuse located in the rear fuse block. Whenever the ignition is turned to RUN or ACCESSORY, or when the retained accessory power (RAP) system is active, the module is also supplied voltage through the accessory voltage circuit and the 10-amp ROOF/HEAT SEAT fuse located in the body control module (BCM). The sunroof control module is grounded through the ground circuit at G302.
The sunroof control module supplies voltage to the contacts of the sunroof switch through the sunroof switch close signal circuit and the sunroof switch open signal circuit. The sunroof control module also supplies ground to the switch contacts through the sunroof switch low reference circuit. When the switch is operated, the contacts and signal circuit for the selected mode are closed to ground, the voltage is pulled low in the module, and the appropriate signal is recognized by the control module. The control module then internally applies battery positive voltage and ground to the appropriate circuits of the reversible power sunroof motor in order to move the sunroof glass panel to the open, close, or vent


Do you know how to do electrical testing ?
Circuit/System Testing
Ignition OFF, disconnect the harness connector at the sunroof control module.
Ignition OFF, test for less than 1.0 ohm of resistance between the ground circuit terminal 1 and ground.
? If greater than the specified range, test the ground circuit for an open/high resistance.
Ignition ON, verify that a test lamp illuminates between the ignition circuit terminal 3 and ground.
? If the test lamp does not illuminate, test the ignition circuit for a short to ground or an open/high resistance.
Verify that a test lamp illuminates between the B+ circuit terminal 6 and ground.
? If the test lamp does not illuminate, test the B+ circuit for a short to ground or an open/high resistance.
Connect the harness connector at the sunroof control module.
Ignition OFF, disconnect the harness connector at the sunroof switch.
Ignition OFF, test for less than 1.0 ohm of resistance between the low reference circuit terminal B and ground.
? If greater than the specified range, test the low reference circuit for an open/high resistance. If the circuit tests normal, test or replace the sunroof control module.
Ignition ON, test for B+ between the signal circuit terminal C and ground.
? If not the specified value, test the signal circuit for a short to ground or an open/high resistance. If the circuit tests normal, test or replace the sunroof control module.
Test for B+ between the signal circuit terminal A and ground.
? If not the specified value, test the signal circuit for a short to ground or an open/high resistance. If the circuit tests normal, test or replace the sunroof control module.
If all circuits test normal, test or replace the sunroof switch.

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Sunroof Description and Operation (One Connector System)
Sunroof
This diagnostic procedure is to be used for the 1 connector Sunroof System that combines the sunroof control module with the sunroof motor/actuator.
The Sunroof System consists of the following components:
• BATT MAIN 2 Fuse 50 A
• Body control module (BCM)
• RAP relay
• S/Roof Fuse 20 A
• Sunroof module (includes sunroof motor/actuator)
• Sunroof switch
The Sunroof System is controlled by the sunroof switch and the sunroof motor/actuator assembly.
When the ignition is turned to RUN or ACCESSORY, or when the retained accessory power (RAP) system is active, the body control module (BCM) applies a ground to the RAP relay in the instrument panel (I/P) fuse block. This activates the RAP relay and allows battery positive voltage to be applied through the SUNROOF Fuse to the sunroof module. Ground for the sunroof module is supplied from G302.
The sunroof can be placed in 3 preset positions:
• Open
• Vent
• Closed
When the sunroof switch is placed in the OPEN position, a ground is applied from the sunroof switch low reference circuit , through the sunroof switch and to the sunroof switch open signal circuit. The sunroof motor/actuator then applies voltage to the sunroof motor open control circuit and applies a ground to the sunroof motor close circuit. The sunroof motor then opens the sunroof to the full open position.
When the sunroof switch is placed in the VENT position, a ground is applied from the sunroof switch low reference circuit , through the sunroof switch and to the sunroof switch open signal circuit. The sunroof module then applies voltage to the sunroof motor open control circuit and applies a ground to the sunroof motor close circuit. The sunroof motor then opens the sunroof to the VENT position.
When the sunroof switch is placed and held in the CLOSED position, a ground is applied from the sunroof switch low reference circuit , through the sunroof switch and to the sunroof switch close signal circuit. The sunroof module then applies voltage to the sunroof motor close control circuit and applies a ground to the sunroof motor open circuit. The sunroof motor then closes the sunroof.
The sunroof can be placed in any preferred open position when:
• The sunroof is in the fully opened position by pressing and holding the sunroof switch in the CLOSE position until the panel has reached the desired position then release the CLOSE switch in order to stop the sunroof
• The sunroof is opening, it can be stopped by momentarily pressing either side of the switch.
The sunroof control module, sun roof actuator, and the sunroof motor are integral parts of the sunroof module assembly and are not service separately.

Your best bet , take it to a qualified repair shop or buick dealer .

Here's a description the sun roof
Power Sunroof System Components
The power sunroof system consists of the following components:
• Sunroof module
• Sunroof switch
• Sunroof motor, with 2 hall effect sensors and limit switch
• Sunroof window
• Sunroof sunshade panel
• Power supply for the sunroof module: RAP 25 A
• Ground G402

Override
The override function is used when needing to force a closing of the sunroof window. To override the system:
Turn ignition to ON.
Rotate the sunroof switch to the close position.
Press upward.
The sunroof switch data 6 circuit, or override circuit, will become grounded at the sunroof module. As long as the sunroof module sees this input, it will continue to slide the sunroof window to close, regardless of the other sunroof switch data circuits inputs.

Check the RAP fuse in the rear fuse box , this fuse powers the sunroof control module ! Fuse Block - Rear , Left rear of the passenger compartment, under the rear seat .
The sunroof module contains the logic for the opening and the closing of the sunroof. The sunroof motor assembly contains the reversible DC drive motor, the gear train, and the limit switch.
The sunroof module determines the sunroof motor direction based on inputs received from the overhead console sunroof switches. When the ignition switch is in the ON position or when retained accessory power (RAP) is active, voltage is applied to the sunroof module via the RAP relay. For a description and operation of the RAP system, refer to Retained Accessory Power (RAP) Description and Operation in Retained Accessory Power. The sunroof module controls the sunroof motor direction by changing the polarity of the applied voltage. The sunroof module remembers the sunroof position whenever the ignition switch is turned to the OFF position. The limit switch is used as an input to the sunroof module to indicate that the glass is fully closed, or in the comfort stop positions. The limit switch is grounded when the sunroof glass is in the fully closed or comfort stop positions, otherwise it is open.
The SLIDE CLOSE mode is initiated by moving and holding the sunroof slide switch (ROOF) forward. This applies a ground provided from the sunroof limit switch low reference circuit to the sunroof switch close vent signal input of the sunroof module. The sunroof module controls voltage to the control circuits of the sunroof motor. The sunroof motor will run until the limit switch contacts are closed. The closing of the limit switch will apply the sunroof limit switch low reference circuit to the sunroof limit switch soft stop signal circuit to the sunroof module, indicating the flush closed position has been reached. As the sunroof is approaching the close position the sunroof glass will force the wind deflector downward.
You need to have a factory scan tool hooked up an have it checked for DTC'S in the sunroof control module ! a code reader will not do this , a code reader will only check the engine codes for OBD 2 .
Important: The following must be completed before using the symptom tables.

1. Perform Diagnostic System Check - Power Sunroof in order to verify that all of the following are true:
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No DTCs are set.



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The control modules can communicate via the serial data link.


2. Review the system operation in order to familiarize yourself with the system functions. Refer to Sunroof Description and Operation

your better off taking to the dealer !

Hi Thomas , First you should have it diagnosed by someone who has the tool to do so ! upscale scan tool , factory scan tool !
Diagnostic Starting Point - Roof
Begin the diagnosis with the Diagnostic System Check - Power Sunroof . The Diagnostic System Check will provide the following information:
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The identification of the control modules which command the system

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The ability of the control modules to communicate through the serial data circuit

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The identification of any stored DTCs and their status

The use of the Diagnostic System Check will identify the correct procedure for diagnosing the system and where the procedure is located.
Symptoms
When no DTCs ( diagnostic trouble codes ) are present, begin symptom diagnosis by reviewing the Sunroof Description and Operation . Reviewing the Description and Operation information will help you determine the correct symptom diagnostic procedure when a malfunction exists. Reviewing the Description and Operation information will also help you determine if the condition described by the customer is normal operation. Refer to Symptoms - Roof in order to identify the correct procedure for diagnosing the system and where the procedure is located.
Important: If the suspected cause of an inoperative sunroof is a power interruption to the sunroof module, the sunroof must be re-initialized. Refer to Sunroof Motor/Actuator Synchronization .
Important: The following must be completed before using the symptom tables.

1. Perform Diagnostic Starting Point - Roof in order to verify that all of the following are true:
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There are no DTCs set.



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The control module(s) can communicate via the serial data link.


2. Review the system operation in order to familiarize yourself with the system functions. Refer to Sunroof Description and Operation .

Visual/Physical Inspection
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Inspect for aftermarket devices which could affect the operation of the Power Sunroof system. Refer to Checking Aftermarket Accessories in Wiring Systems.

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Inspect the easily accessible or visible system components for obvious damage or conditions which could cause the symptom.

Intermittent
Faulty electrical connections or wiring may be the cause of intermittent conditions. Refer to Testing for Intermittent Conditions and Poor Connections in Wiring Systems.
Symptom List
Refer to a symptom diagnostic procedure from the following list in order to diagnose the symptom:
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Power Sunroof Inoperative

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Power Sunroof Does Not Open to Express Position

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Retained Accessory Power (RAP) On After Timeout in Retained Accessory Power, if the power sunroof should operate longer than 20 minutes after the ignition has been turned OFF

This information is right out of GMC service repair manual !
Sunroof Motor/Actuator Synchronization
Synchronization will be necessary anytime the sunroof module battery positive voltage circuit is interrupted. The sunroof module will be synchronized when the controller learns the full vent position. The sunroof system will ignore any open request until the system has been synchronized.
To synchronize the sunroof:

1. Turn ON the ignition, with the engine OFF.
2. Using the close/tilt up portion of the sunroof switch, operate the sunroof glass until it reaches the full vent position.
3. Verify that the system operates normally.

Once the sunroof glass reaches the full vent position, the actual position is stored in the memory of the sunroof module. The sunroof module will stop the motor one motor revolution before the defined actual positions.

Do you know how to test automotive electrical circuit's with a DVOM - digital volt ohm meter ? When adjusting the moon roof did you see any switches ? sunroof limit switch
Measure the reference voltage of the sunroof limit switch soft stop signal circuit at the sunroof control harness connector to a good ground.
Does the reference voltage measure near the specified value?
4.5-5.5 V
Notice: Do not open the sunroof glass past the full open soft stop position. Doing so may damage the sunroof assembly and or the roof top.
Connect a jumper wire to the sunroof limit switch soft stop signal circuit at the sunroof control module harness to a good ground.
Turn ON the ignition, with the engine OFF.
Using the sunroof switch, operate the sunroof system, not to exceed the full open soft stop position.
Does the system operate as requested?

Do you know what a wiring diagram is ? Free one's here
http://www.bbbind.com/free_tsb.html Enter vehicle info. year ,make ,model an engine size . Under system click body & accessories ,then under subsystem click on sun roof . Click the search button then the blue link . See the control module , motor an the two switches ? One is probably miss adjusted . or bad !

Power Sunroof System Components
The power sunroof system consists of the following components:
• Sunroof control module
• Sunroof motor with the limit switches
• Sunroof switch
• Sunroof glass-spoiler type, with glass sliding above roof
• Sunshade
• Rail and track assembly upon which the sunroof glass rides
• Power sunroof system circuit breaker: PWR WDO 25 A
• Ground: G204

Sunroof Limit Switches
The sunroof limit switches track the position of the sunroof glass through two limit switches:
• Soft Stop limit switch through the sunroof limit switch soft stop signal circuit
• Vent Stop limit switch through the sunroof limit switch range signal circuit
The sunroof control module monitors the limit switches and based on the input combinations, determines the position of the sunroof glass. As a sunroof limit switch closes, the 5 volt reference will be shorted to the sunroof limit switch low reference circuit, pulling the 5 volt reference to 0 volts.
The sunroof control module monitors both sunroof switch input requests and based on the sunroof limit switch input combinations, will control an output to the sunroof motor, to drive the sunroof glass to the requested position.

Sunroof Motor
The sunroof has a bi-directional motor. When the motor is not operating both circuits are grounded. When the motor drives the sunroof glass in the direction from the closed to vent or vent to open position, the following occurs:
• Voltage is supplied to the sunroof motor open circuit.
• Ground is maintained to the sunroof motor close circuit.
When the motor drives the sunroof in the direction from the open to vent or vent to closed position, the following occurs:
• Voltage is supplied to the sunroof motor close circuit.
• Ground is maintained to the sunroof motor open circuit.
The sunroof control module is equipped with a timer circuit which stops the operation of the sunroof motor after 8 seconds.

i think the two places are:
Subaru Sambar

• on the kick panel on the passenger side
• stamped into frame behind cab on the driver’s side

Check these positions

Some customers may comment that the sunroof will no longer respond to the control switch while in a vented, partially opened, or fully opened position.
Cause A software issue with the sunroof control module may cause the sunroof control module to incorrectly indicate a "closed" position, which may result in no power to the sunroof motor.
Correction Verify the customer concern. If a condition is present, replace the sunroof control module with a new sunroof control module, P/N 15847643. Refer to the Service Procedure in this bulletin.
Service Procedure

1. Verify the customer concern by opening and closing the sunroof. • If the sunroof will not open , check the power windows. - If the power windows are also inoperative, check the fuse. If the fuse has opened, refer to Corporate Bulletin Number 05-08-64-004 to install 30A circuit breaker. - If the power windows are fully functional, refer to "Power Sunroof Inoperative" diagnostics (SI Document ID# 1392967) in the Body section of the 2005 Chevrolet Equinox or Saturn VUE Service Manual. • If the sunroof will open (or is already open), but will not close , proceed to Step 2.
2. Replace the sunroof control module. Refer to "Sunroof Control Module Replacement" procedure in the Body section of the 2005 Chevrolet Equinox Service Manual (SI Document ID# 1196049) or Saturn VUE Service Manual (SI Document ID# 1710479).
3. Open and close the sunroof in order to confirm that the customer concern has been resolved.

Parts Information Part Number
Description
Qty
15847643
Sunroof Control Module
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