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Anonymous Posted on Aug 30, 2017

It has a hard time starting, once started it runs great, no idling problems, I asked about the ISC motor and have another question about it, does it make a intermittent clicking type noise when the engine is not running? I am on a low fixed income and want to make sure that if the ISC motor is the culprit as the costs for this part is nearly 200 dollars. Thank you for your help

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Hard starting first start of the day , sitting over night ? Fuel pump . Check valve inside that is suppose to keep pressure in fuel lines to the fuel injectors . Checking with a fuel pressure gauge is the proper way to test , not guessing and replacing parts . Your best bet ,take it to a qualified repair shop. Can't help your on a low fixed income . You could spend alot more money if you don't. So do yourself a favor .
Testing for failed fuel pump check valve

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Anonymous

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  • Posted on Jan 28, 2010

SOURCE: Idle on my 1992 cadillac deville is very low

no take that ****** out and give it a bath in carb cleaner 20 mins coat with wd 40 reinstall if its better by a new one any way only a temporary fix dont////dont turn any screws

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SOURCE: it has a hard time starting, it will start, stall,

You are in the right area. First I would check that the throttle interior along with the plate itself is spotlessly clean along with the access passages to the ISC. I would remove the ISC and ensure the the valve likewise is spotlessly clean and has good freedom of movement. Plenty of clean cloths and WD40 spray help in the clean up. Make sure the electrical connector withe ISC is clean and tight with no breaks in the loom. Test the engine when all cleaned up and if the idle is still problem then, and only then, consider changing the ISC.

Testimonial: "thanks, just bought this car with 101k on it. if the idle is ok after starting, would it still be the isc motor? "

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which engine the 4AFE or 7AFE toy engine.
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but runs with the fast right foot , trick , right?
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the cars EFI uses a device called and ISC,
this is idle speed controller.
if it sticks closed, it makes starting hard, and hot starts insane hard.
if it sticks open , hard starts, and when does screams.
some time the iSC is ok, but the engine runs so bad, it can't do its job.

clean the iSC. then test it. make sure it works. perfectly.
the FSM book covers this.
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better that any car made !!! on how all this works....
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the thermal iAC is only working below 150F.
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ECU controls it at all times, ECU keep idle correct at all times.
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1995 toyota 4runner 4x4 Idling high sometimes than idles real low too

rule 1 on all otto cycle gas engines.
idle is the last thing to work right.
on EFI , its under control at all times.
but if the engine runs bad, it goes out of control.
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Hot , its not.
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same for misfire, gross, flooding. same for gross lean.
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easy we give that long missed 60,000 mile tune up.
and during that i clean the ISC and EGR main valves.
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then make sure the EGR main is closed,
engine hot.
i see if my ISC is trying to work.
i then check my fuel mixtures. to see if the engine EFI
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1: EGR sticks open at idle. IDLE RPM drops like rock. ( it must)
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some cars EFI hunts the ISC causing surging.
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the idle controls are a SERVO,. a closed loop servo system.
it regulates idle until , something horrible happens.

it fails when conditions are outside it's range of Authority.







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clean the EGR, if it sticks open car will never idle fast.
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you are are on track, most here are not.
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can your happy right off save the stall
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check firing order now that wires are scrambled.
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then spark timing.
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all the fuel in the world is useless on a dead motor or dead spark'.

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long post.
ill reduce it for you.
misfires. (is RPM below 700 then misfire can be normal) for idle speed controls dead.
ISC the isc controls speed, of idle,.
mine stuck like zillion times, in 400k miles. endless.sticking
mine was a tiny gutless stepper motor drive ISC valve.
the cone valve is side gets nasty and sticks (
(PCV gases caused as seen on all engines)
i clean it.
the proof is the easy press of right foot easy raises idle back to 700rpm and engine stops misfiring.
ever get a tuneup this decade or running spark parts 500,0000 miles
for the new world record.?


now the tricky part of ISC, , fully explained in the SM serv. man.
the PCM learns its behaviors.
it learns all hot start settings and cold
so when you key on, it goes to the correct HISTORICAL spot.
if it can move there(sticks) engine car race.
or run too slow,
cold start would be worse, as hot isc is more closed
so if sticks there closed, the next cold start will be horrid
some newer manuals telly you to add 5% throttle if car is hard starting this is so common.

clean it. end story.
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You are in the right area. First I would check that the throttle interior along with the plate itself is spotlessly clean along with the access passages to the ISC. I would remove the ISC and ensure the the valve likewise is spotlessly clean and has good freedom of movement. Plenty of clean cloths and WD40 spray help in the clean up. Make sure the electrical connector withe ISC is clean and tight with no breaks in the loom. Test the engine when all cleaned up and if the idle is still problem then, and only then, consider changing the ISC.
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FORD IDLE AIR BYPASS

Ford doesn't use idle air bypass to regulate idle speed on its older throttle body (CFI) applications, but uses a solenoid or vacuum diaphragm instead to open the throttle linkage. Idle air bypass is used only on multipoint injection applications. On older pre-OBD II cars, codes 12, 13, 16, 17 & 19 all indicate idle speed is out of spec (too high or too low). Codes 47 and 48 indicate a fuel mixture problem which could be caused by an air leak. On OBD II vehicles (1996 & newer), codes P505 to P509 indicate a fault with the idle speed control system.

The diagnostic procedure when any of these codes are found is to turn the engine off, unplug the ISC bypass air solenoid connector, then restart the engine to see if the idle rpm drops (it should if the ISC solenoid is working). No change would indicate a problem in the motor or wiring.

The ISC solenoid can be checked by measuring its resistance. With the positive lead of a digital volt/ohm meter on the VPWR pin and the negative lead on the ISC pin, measure the resistance of the solenoid. On many applications, the spec calls for 7.0 to 13.0 ohms. If it is out of specs, the ISC solenoid is bad. Also check for shorts between both ISC solenoid terminals and the case.

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