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Where would I find the PnP electrical module on a V6 97 Sable apparently these go after replacing a starter

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Never heard of it and I work for Ford. There is a GEM module in the engine comaprtment (Generic Electronci Module). It is very expensive, but I doubt it's your issue.
Nothing should go after replacing a starter.

There are 3 PNP & 3 NPN diodes in the alternattr. Not serviceable though.

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