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1998 Olds Intregue, 3.8L about 80K miles, started making loud engine noise. Tore down and found crack in lower intake manifold. What would cause this? Is it worth replacing? Should I be checking for anything else?

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If the intake manifold is cracked, maybe try to put some puddy epoxy in it to repair. I've found puddy epoxy useful in repairing leaks in other parts of the engine, including a rusty oil pan that was leaking oil. I think that puddy epoxy would be ideal for this crack. Probably, you are hearing the valves clacking if there is a crack there.

How much did you tear the engine down?

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NOTE Two bolts which fasten the lower intake manifold to the cylinder head are accessible only after the upper intake manifold is removed. These bolts are located in the right front and left rear corners of the lower intake manifold. Remove the upper intake manifold to service the lower intake.
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0900c15280269f1b.jpg enlarge_icon.gifenlarge_tooltip.gif Fig. Lower intake manifold bolt torque sequence-3.8L (VIN K) engine
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0900c15280269f1c.jpg enlarge_icon.gifenlarge_tooltip.gif Fig. Upper intake manifold and bolt torque sequence-3.8L (VIN K) engine
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