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If we keep killing batteries and its not the alt then it must be the voltage regulator ?

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What detailed answers. Very helpful, thanks

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Hi,
there are several reasons why your car batteries are being "killed"
Assuming you have destroyed several "new" batteries, these are potential causes:

1. Voltage regulator is bad or not cutting off after the battery reaches a fully charged level (this is part of your alternator). Overcharging often boils out most of the distilled water/acid mixer in the battery. On older cars the regulator this was a separate item. New alternators have the regulator built into them.
2. You have a a major earth or short on your 12 volts cct
3. You have fitted a battery which is:
a. underspec - ie not sufficient current capacity (look for the term CCA which means cold cranking amps)
b. wrong type eg lead acid fitted instead of AGM type or gel type
c. been charged with the wrong type battery charger ie used and old charger on a new gel or AGM battery
4. Battery has been overcharged or "cooked" by applying too much voltage or charging current.

If you can use a multimeter, with the engine running, test the DC voltage across the connected battery terminals. You should have approx 13-14 volts.

Have look here:
http://www.batterystuff.com/tutorial_battery.html#4
http://www.autoshop101.com/trainmodules/alternator/alt119.html
http://auto.howstuffworks.com/question219.htm
http://autorepair.about.com/od/glossary/a/howitworks_alternator.htm

Hope this helps out. Ask for more help if needed.
Steve
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Try starting the motor and then remove the negitive battery cable while running, If your car dies your alt. is bad. If your alt. was good it would be able to keep the engine running. Batteries are only for starting. If it stays running you might have a draw or short in the cars wiring and you would need a multi meter to check for draws. Or hate to say a shop. I hope this helps ya

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