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1997 Ford Expedition. As soon as you turn the start it it idles high and then goes to low idle and runs really rough. The whole vehicle shakes. What can the problem be?

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Mark Erwin

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Posted on May 07, 2013

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I have a 1997 Expedition and I replaced every sensor and went through all of this. I even changed out the O2 Sensors. The parts guy said I had 3. The problem is that I trusted that person and realize I had 4. I had this hesitation problem and almost stalling out and had 2 codes for Bank 1, Passenger side is Bank 1. There is an Upstream O2 Sensor there that cannot be seen unless you remove the wheel and pull back the plastic fender well. There is a Ford Technical Service Bulletin saying that the A/C drain run directly onto this O2 Sensor and the sensor fails. The way to fix it is to buy a GM PVC tube and modify it to reroute the drain to the 7 o'clock position and replace the O2 Sensor.www.rockauto.com has the O2 Sensors for $20.69 and the PVC Tube is $8.99 at Autozone. I did this and after 3 years of going freaking nuts it is running like a rand new truck, no hesitation, no almost stalling out, acceleration is back and reliable and towing the RV is a pleasure now. I hope all of this helps and I hope that others in my position happen upon this post so that they do not lose as much hair and I and do not waste as much money replacing parts that are not bad in the first place.
This TSB article is being republished in its entirety to update the Service Procedure.

ISSUE:
The Malfunction Indicator Lamp (MIL) may illuminate and Diagnostic Trouble Codes (DTCs) P0133, P0171 and/or P1131 may be stored in memory. Additionally, there may be one or more of the following driveability symptoms:

Hesitation
Stumble
Surge
Miss
Rough idle
Near stall or stall at idle
Detonation on acceleration
This may be caused by cold condensate from the A/C system dripping onto the Heated Exhaust Gas Oxygen (HEGO) sensor causing thermocycling of the HEGO sensor .

ACTION:
Divert water from dripping onto the sensor by installing a fabricated drain tube to the end of the A/C drain. This should reroute the water and reduce the possibility of the above conditions occurring. Refer to the following Service Procedure for details.

SERVICE PROCEDURE
Fabricate a drain tube from PCV Vent Tube (F85Z-6758-BA). To create the drain tube extension, remove the rubber cylinder from the plastic tube and discard. Cut the plastic tube (Figure 1).

Remove the transmission fluid level indicator.
Remove the right front wheel.
Remove the right front fender well splash guard.
Clean the area around the transmission filler[img src="http://c.fixya.net/fixya20/uploads/images/icon1.png" class="h_mi">duct[img src="http://c.fixya.net/fixya20/uploads/images/icon1.png" class="h_mi">
Replace the right front HEGO Sensor (F88Z-9F472-AB) and leave the connector disconnected.
Modify the PCV vent tube (Figure 1) to make a drain for the A/C condensate drain.
Using needle nose pliers[img src="http://c.fixya.net/fixya20/uploads/images/icon1.png" class="h_mi">
Refer to Figure 1 and fabricate a tool using a 61x2.5 cm (24x1") I.D. pipe as shown.
Lubricate the elbow with water.
NOTE: DO NOT USE SILICONE TO LUBRICATE THE ELBOW AS IT WILL FALL OFF.

Using the tool, install the modified drain tube at the 7:00 position toward the frame (Figure 2).
Clean the transmission filler tube.
NOTE: BE CAREFUL NOT TO DAMAGE THE O-RING AS THIS COULD CREATE LEAKS OR ALLOW CONTAMINATION INTO THE TRANSMISSION.

Lightly lubricate the transmission filler tube O-ring withpetroleum[img src="http://c.fixya.net/fixya20/uploads/images/icon1.png" class="h_mi">
Torque the bolt to 11-14 N-m (8-10 lb-ft).
NOTE: MAKE SURE THE BODY SIDE HEGO WIRING CONNECTOR IS IN THE LOCATOR HOLE IN THE BACK OF THE HEAD.

Connect the right front HEGO sensor connector.
Start the vehicle and verify water flow direction. Make sure no condensation drips onto the exhaust manifold bolt.
Reinstall the right front splash guard.
Reinstall the right front wheel.
Clean and reinstall the transmission fluid level indicator.
NOTE: DEALERS[img src="http://c.fixya.net/fixya20/uploads/images/icon1.png" class="h_mi">

PART NUMBER PART NAME
F85Z-6758-BA PCV Vent Tube
F88Z-9F472-AB Heated Exhaust Gas Oxygen (HEGO) Sensor

Colin Stickland

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Posted on Oct 16, 2010

Colin Stickland

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http://technoanswers.blogspot.in/2012/03/rough-idlestaling-and-erratic-shifting.html

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While stop engine idles like cylinder missing?

http://schematicsdiagram.blogspot.com/2012/01/while-stop-engine-idles-like-cylinder.html

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These details will help.

Thanks.

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Dec 07, 2012 • Cars & Trucks

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1993 1500 truck 5.0 high HC at idle

It can be issue with IAC( idle air control valve) causing the problem.

There are many other possibilities causing these idle issues. Engine idles rough.

There are few help links with solutions to troubleshoot such idle issues.

I suggest you refer the link below and follow its troubleshooting details:------

Click the link below:-----

Ford Expedition IAC valve replacing

http://technoanswers.blogspot.com/2012/12/ford-expedition-iac-valve-replacing.html

Bad miss at idle?

http://technoanswers.blogspot.com/2012/01/bad-miss-at-idle.html

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Stumbling and stalling at idle after engine rebuild?

http://schematicsdiagram.blogspot.in/2012/03/stumbling-and-stalling-at-idle-after.html

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1999 Ford F-150 Idles rough and quits when gas pedal is pressed less?

http://technoanswers.blogspot.in/2012/01/1999-ford-f-150-idles-rough-and-quits.html

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Engine stumbles coming off idle when warm?

http://repairhelpcenter.blogspot.com/2012/01/engine-stumbles-coming-off-idle-when.html

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Erratic idle on car?

http://schematicsdiagram.blogspot.com/2011/12/erratic-idle-on-car.html

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Cold start problem and vehicle shudder around 2500 to 3500 rpms

http://repairhelpcenter.blogspot.com/2012/10/cold-start-problem-and-vehicle-shudder.html

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Low idle when cold out side?

http://repairhelpcenter.blogspot.com/2011/12/low-idle-when-cold-out-side.html

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GMC Sonoma Stalls and idles low

http://technoanswers.blogspot.com/2012/10/gmc-sonoma-stalls-and-idles-low.html

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GMC Idle Air Control (IAC) Valve Replacing?

http://schematicsdiagram.blogspot.com/2011/12/gmc-idle-air-control-iac-valve.html

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1996 Camry intermittent engine failure while idle?

http://repairhelpcenter.blogspot.com/2011/10/1996-camry-intermittent-engine-failure.html

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Engine quits at idle?

http://repairhelpcenter.blogspot.com/2011/10/engine-quits-at-idle.html

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Car overheats and Air blows hot at idle?

http://howtobyme.blogspot.com/2011/11/car-overheats-and-air-blows-hot-at-idle.html

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High Idle Problem

http://repairhelpcenter.blogspot.com/2012/10/high-idle-problem.html

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While stop engine idles like cylinder missing?

http://schematicsdiagram.blogspot.com/2012/01/while-stop-engine-idles-like-cylinder.html

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Idle flair is noticed on car? Rough idle? car will not idle? Erratic idle speed?

http://technoanswers.blogspot.in/2012/02/idle-flair-is-noticed-on-car-rough-idle.html

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High rpm in neutral? Inconsistant high RPM in neutral?

http://technoanswers.blogspot.in/2012/02/high-rpm-in-neutral-inconsistant-high.html

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Vehicle stumbling at idle and shows code 54?

http://schematicsdiagram.blogspot.in/2012/03/vehicle-stumbling-at-idle-and-shows.html

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Rough idle, staling and Erratic shifting?

http://technoanswers.blogspot.in/2012/03/rough-idlestaling-and-erratic-shifting.html

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While stop engine idles like cylinder missing?

http://schematicsdiagram.blogspot.com/2012/01/while-stop-engine-idles-like-cylinder.html

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These details will help.

Thanks.

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Dec 06, 2012 • 1999 Chevrolet Silverado 1500

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Rough running when engine is cold

Has it ever been tune up,

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Dec 06, 2012 • 2002 Ford F150 Regular Cab

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2003 spacewagon wont idle when engine is cold

It can be issue with IAC( idle air control valve) causing the problem.

There are many other possibilities causing these idle issues. Engine idles rough.

There are few help links with solutions to troubleshoot such idle issues.

I suggest you refer the link below and follow its troubleshooting details:------

Click the link below:-----

Ford Expedition IAC valve replacing

http://technoanswers.blogspot.com/2012/12/ford-expedition-iac-valve-replacing.html

Bad miss at idle?

http://technoanswers.blogspot.com/2012/01/bad-miss-at-idle.html

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Stumbling and stalling at idle after engine rebuild?

http://schematicsdiagram.blogspot.in/2012/03/stumbling-and-stalling-at-idle-after.html

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1999 Ford F-150 Idles rough and quits when gas pedal is pressed less?

http://technoanswers.blogspot.in/2012/01/1999-ford-f-150-idles-rough-and-quits.html

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Engine stumbles coming off idle when warm?

http://repairhelpcenter.blogspot.com/2012/01/engine-stumbles-coming-off-idle-when.html

------------------

Erratic idle on car?

http://schematicsdiagram.blogspot.com/2011/12/erratic-idle-on-car.html

-----------

Cold start problem and vehicle shudder around 2500 to 3500 rpms

http://repairhelpcenter.blogspot.com/2012/10/cold-start-problem-and-vehicle-shudder.html

----------

Low idle when cold out side?

http://repairhelpcenter.blogspot.com/2011/12/low-idle-when-cold-out-side.html

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GMC Sonoma Stalls and idles low

http://technoanswers.blogspot.com/2012/10/gmc-sonoma-stalls-and-idles-low.html

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GMC Idle Air Control (IAC) Valve Replacing?

http://schematicsdiagram.blogspot.com/2011/12/gmc-idle-air-control-iac-valve.html

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1996 Camry intermittent engine failure while idle?

http://repairhelpcenter.blogspot.com/2011/10/1996-camry-intermittent-engine-failure.html

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Engine quits at idle?

http://repairhelpcenter.blogspot.com/2011/10/engine-quits-at-idle.html

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Car overheats and Air blows hot at idle?

http://howtobyme.blogspot.com/2011/11/car-overheats-and-air-blows-hot-at-idle.html

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High Idle Problem

http://repairhelpcenter.blogspot.com/2012/10/high-idle-problem.html

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While stop engine idles like cylinder missing?

http://schematicsdiagram.blogspot.com/2012/01/while-stop-engine-idles-like-cylinder.html

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Idle flair is noticed on car? Rough idle? car will not idle? Erratic idle speed?

http://technoanswers.blogspot.in/2012/02/idle-flair-is-noticed-on-car-rough-idle.html

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High rpm in neutral? Inconsistant high RPM in neutral?

http://technoanswers.blogspot.in/2012/02/high-rpm-in-neutral-inconsistant-high.html

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Vehicle stumbling at idle and shows code 54?

http://schematicsdiagram.blogspot.in/2012/03/vehicle-stumbling-at-idle-and-shows.html

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Rough idle, staling and Erratic shifting?

http://technoanswers.blogspot.in/2012/03/rough-idlestaling-and-erratic-shifting.html

-----------

While stop engine idles like cylinder missing?

http://schematicsdiagram.blogspot.com/2012/01/while-stop-engine-idles-like-cylinder.html

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These details will help.

Thanks.

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Dec 06, 2012 • Cars & Trucks

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97 Ford Expedition with shkaing at idle and low speed

Most auto parts stores will scan the engine codes free or allow you to use theirs on site. Scan the code and post it back here for additional help.

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