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Instrument panel reads all zeros on the odometer, speedometer not functioning, but lit, fuel indicater reads E when tank is full, new BCM installed without results, climate control not working, and Driver Information Center reads "SYSTEM PROBLEM". HELP
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Did you check the fuse that supply's battery voltage to pin # 16 at the DLC - diagnostic link connector ? That's where you plug your code reader in . The lighter fuse - 15 amp located in the under hood fuse box supply's battery voltage to pin #16 . The fuel gauge not working could be any one of a number of thing's , without testing an checking for DTC'S - diagnostic trouble code's I would only be guessing . Checking code's in the instrument cluster an PCM should be done by a qualified repair shop. The fuel level sending unit in the fuel tank is a direct input to the PCM/ECM - engine computer , the PCM / ECM sends this info too
The instrument panel cluster (IPC) displays the fuel level as determined by the powertrain control module (PCM)/engine control module (ECM). The IPC receives a GMLAN message from the body control module (BCM) indicating the fuel level volume. The fuel gage defaults to empty (E) if:
• The PCM/ECM detects a malfunction in the fuel level sensor circuit.
• The IPC detects a loss of GMLAN communications with the BCM.
When the fuel level is less than a certain low percentage, LOW FUEL message displays in the driver information center (DIC).
Odometer
The vehicle odometer is calculated and stored electronically in the body control module (BCM) and is sent via GMLAN to the instrument panel cluster (IPC) for display. The BCM calculates and stores the mileage based on the vehicle speed GMLAN message from the powertrain control module (PCM)/engine control module (ECM). The IPC displays the season odometer information from the BCM in the driver information center (DIC). The odometer will display error if the IPC detects an invalid odometer data from the BCM. After an invalid odometer data is received from the BCM, the IPC will display the last known odometer reading for 1.5 seconds before error is displayed in the DIC.
Odometer
The odometer is an electronic digital display. Digits displayed are illuminated by the odometer backlight bulb. The odometer backlight bulb brightness is controlled by class 2 messages from the BCM to adjust the display for daylight and instrument panel dimming operation. The trip odometer and total odometer will show in this display area. The push button in the lower right side of the speedometer is used to toggle between the trip and total odometer readings. To reset the trip odometer, push and hold the button down for at least two seconds. The total odometer display has six digits with no decimal display. The trip odometer has four digits including a decimal point and indicates tenths of a mile or kilometer.
The body control module (BCM) stores the vehicle mileage. If the BCM fails, the cluster will display the last valid mileage that was sent before the BCM failed. For replacement of the BCM refer to the BCM section of this service manual. Replacement instrument clusters do not require odometer pre-setting before installation. If the instrument cluster is replaced, the mileage stored in the BCM will be sent to the new cluster via serial data, and shown in the odometer display.
Your best bet , take it to a qualified repair shop.
It wouldn't be a ground problem If it were the whole instrument cluster would be dead . Checking the BCM an the IPC for DTC'S - diagnostic trouble codes is the proper way to diagnose this type problem . Not worrying about grounds .
Odometer
The vehicle odometer is calculated and stored electronically in the body control module (BCM) and is sent via the serial data circuit to the instrument panel cluster (IPC) for display. The BCM calculates and stores the mileage based on the vehicle speed serial data information from the PCM/ECM. The IPC displays the season odometer information from the BCM in the driver information center (DIC). The odometer will display error if the IPC detects an invalid odometer data from the BCM. After an invalid odometer data is received from the BCM, the IPC will display the last known odometer reading for 1.5 seconds before error is displayed in the DIC.
Speedometer
The instrument panel cluster (IPC) displays the vehicle speed based on serial data message from the body control module (BCM). The BCM receives vehicle speed data from the PCM/ECM via the serial data circuit. The speedometer will default to 0 km/h (0 mph) if:
• The PCM/ECM detects a malfunction in the vehicle speed sensor circuit.
• The BCM detects a loss of serial data communications with the PCM/ECM.
• The IPC detects a loss of serial data communications with the BCM.
After I bought my '96 850, I found it had the same problem. In my case the speedometer worked fine, but not the odometer. A little research on the internet revealed that it's a common problem with these models.
There's a motor that drives the odometer separately from the speedometer, and the weak link in the chain is a tiny gear that turns the odometer when the motor runs. That gear is easily broken and even one missing tooth will disable your odometer.
The fix is relatively straight-forward, but requires you to remove the instrument panel and disassemble it in order to get to the motor housing and the broken gear. You won't have any trouble finding replacement parts on eBay that are much better made and will last you the rest of the life of the car. The difficulty level on this is about medium, but be careful when you've got the instrument panel disassembled; I wasn't cautious enough and ended up with a couple of my indicators out of alignment; my tachometer read zero when it was idling, and my fuel gauge only went up to 17 gallons when it was full, so I had to take it all apart again to reposition the gauges to get them to read correctly.
The odometer "error" is usually a BCM (body control module) problem, not the instrument panel. All the electrical signals you have lost all go to the BCM before going to the instrument panel.
It could be a simple connector problem.
First, there are three different sound systems available for a 2003 Oldsmobile Bravada. The wiring diagrams are completely different for each of them. The options are:
> Base Radio WITH Rear Seat Audio > Base Radio WITHOUT Rear Seat Audio > Preminum Sound Radio (seperate amplifier)
NONE of these systems have ANYTHING to do with the speedometer other than the fact that the Instrument Panel Cluster (IPC) gets its speed information from the Body Control Module (BCM) and all three of these possible sound systems also tie into the BCM.
The only thing I can guess is that your aftermarket installation is completely unable to communicate with the BCM as it is supposed to, and is also interfering with data communications between the BCM and the IPC.
The Powertrain Control Module (PCM) also communicates with the BCM and needs this information to control the engine and transmission properly. If you have engine control codes, I would recommend that you THOROUGHLY investigate and repair these before doing any thing else to your vehicle. Also, you need to scan the rest of the modules in your vehicle to see if it can be determined what is going on. I am willing to bet that your system is full of "U" codes, indicating network communications failures.
i suppose you have checked all the fuses and they all checked ok,the fuel gauge may be reading incorrectly due to a faulty sending unit which is mounted in the fuel pump module in the fuel tank,and the instrument lights may not work because the multi function switch may be faulty ,other than that you could have a electrical problem
Blown Fuse or fried Circuit board. Take to a local AutoZone, Advance, Murray's, O'reillys or a similar part house for them to check the wiring. I'm assuming the van does not use a mechanical Speedometer or Fuel Gauge.
On the plus side, with no speedometer, your indicated odometer mileage does not increase. Just keep your speed down and your tank full. Kidding, just kidding.
on a bright sunny day you can't read the odometer can it be made brighter?
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