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Anonymous Posted on Mar 12, 2010

Very unusally low gas mileage. Check engine light came on and had it checked was told I had crack in upper intake manifold/plenum. That did not fix the problem???

  • Anonymous Mar 13, 2010

    yes it was replaced still no fix though

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There is no code that says " crack in plenum" so what was the code? is the light still on? Was the plenum replaced?

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(see Figure 14)
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CAUTION The fuel system is under pressure and must be properly relieved before disconnecting the fuel lines. Failure to properly relieve the fuel system pressure can lead to personal injury and component damage.
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  2. Disconnect the negative battery cable.
  3. Remove top half of the air cleaner assembly and throttle body duct.
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  7. Remove the brake vacuum pipe at the intake plenum.
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  11. Label and disconnect the ignition wires from the spark plugs and wire retainers on the intake plenum.
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Fig. 14: View of the intake manifold and related components

  1. Disconnect the upper engine wiring harness connectors at the following components:
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  2. Tag and disconnect the vacuum lines from the following components:
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  3. Disconnect the MAP sensor from upper intake manifold.
  4. Remove the upper intake plenum mounting bolts and lift off the plenum.
  5. Disconnect the fuel lines from the fuel rail and bracket.
  6. Install engine support fixture special tool J 28467-A or an equivalent.
  7. Remove the right side engine mount.
  8. Remove the power steering mounting bolts and support the pump out of the way without disconnecting the power steering lines.
  9. Disconnect the coolant inlet pipe from the outlet housing.
  10. Remove the coolant bypass hose from the water pump and the cylinder head.
  11. Disconnect the upper radiator hose at thermostat housing.
  12. Remove the thermostat housing.
  13. Remove both rocker arm covers.
  14. Remove the lower intake manifold bolts. Make sure the washers on the four center bolts are installed in their original locations.
When removing the valve train components they should be kept in order for installation the original locations.
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  2. Remove the intake manifold from the engine. Remove and discard the gasket.
  3. Using a suitable scraper, clean gasket material from all mating surfaces. Remove all excess RTV sealant from front and rear ridges of cylinder block
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  2. Using a new gasket, place the intake manifold on the engine.
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  3. Install the front rocker arm cover.
  4. Install the thermostat housing.
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  8. Install the power steering pump in the mounting bracket.
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  14. Install the MAP sensor.
  15. Connect the upper engine wiring harness connectors to the related components removed earlier.
  16. Connect the vacuum lines to the PCV, vacuum modulator and fuel pressure regulator.
  17. Install the EVAP canister purge solenoid and ignition assembly.
  18. Install the alternator assembly.
  19. Connect the power steering line to the alternator bracket.
  20. Install the serpentine belt.
  21. Connect the spark plug wires to the spark plugs and intake plenum wire retainer.
  22. Install the EGR pipe to the exhaust manifold.
  23. Attach the control cables to the throttle body lever and upper intake plenum mounting bracket.
  24. Install air intake assembly and top half of the air cleaner assembly.
  25. Install the brake vacuum pipe.
  26. Fill the cooling system.
  27. Connect the negative battery cable, then start the vehicle and verify that there are no leaks.

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