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Misfire code, rough idle, full tune up complete, crank sensor replaced, intake replaced, injector test good, exhaust clear no codes other than misfire, trim lean once

  • Stan Cather
    Stan Cather Oct 18, 2009

    2001 4.3vortec before crank sensor it was cyl. 1+3 now just cyl 4. the 1,3,6 plugs were black sooted after a 10mile test run

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    What year is your Blazer and what engine is in it? Are you getting multiple cylinder misfire code or is it telling you which cylinder is misfiring? What are the misfire monitors reading?

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The black soot on the plugs means that you are running extremely rich. The fuel injectors ma test good electricly, but they are notorious for leaks. The spider-looking thing sandwiched between the plastic intake plenum and the intake manifold gets cracks in it's "legs" and leaks fuel ito the plenum area. The fuel pressure regulator is also housed in this same assembly. if the diaphram in the regulator gets a pinhole in it, it also leaks fuel into the plenum area, causing all kinds of erratic idleing, black smoke from the exhaust, and will cause your fuel trims to drop into the negative 20s.

There is a technical service bulletin covering this subject. This procedure outlines the steps required to replace the existing Central SFI Fuel System with a new MFI (Multiport Flexible Injection) Fuel System.

It is removing the injectors which are all housed in the center body of the injector assembly and replacing them with a new version where the injectors are located where the ols "poppets" used to be in the intake manifold ports. The picture below is for a V-8 engine that is covered by the same TSB.misfire code, rough idle, full tune up complete, - 052d4ba.gif
The poppets and the pressure regulator are available individually to fix your existing fuel injection system, but I gave up on that after replacing several poppets only to have them come back in a few months with another popet line broken. I recommend replacing the whole assembly with the new and improved version. My customers have told me after doing this that the engine never ran that smooth when it was new.

The GM part number for the new injector assembly for your V-6 engine is 12568332 it is also now available at several aftermarket parts outlets.

As for the timing chain solution posted by doodieman200, all I have to say is that I have enough fingers on one hand to count all of the failed timing chains I have replaced on these engines. If you don't have a cam/crank sync code, the timing chain has definitely not slipped a tooth.

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Hey there im assuming this is the 4.3 vortec if you've done a complete tune up and have to check engine light id be looking at timing. An i dont mean distributer i mean timing chain the 4.3's are knowin well for timing chains stretching and even sometimes skipping teeth. That will give you a rough idle and a miss fire. Id give that a try get a shop to put a timing light on it and see if its out of time ive had this problem before and that fixed it

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(the bar room answer for 420 is, the CAT is weak, )
the autoshop class>? ASE.. if the cat is or was tortured (misfire)
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now we cover, misfire
there are huge possibles.
in a big shop we connect 5 gas to tail and start there .
in a lesser shop, plenty. we check closed loop at idle
if not in closed loop at idle, we fix that first. (easy ,car is parked)
(later closed loop at 40mph light flat cruise, steady right foot) no hills.
Misfire, :
Bad engine, bent a valve> do to ignoring the belt. got vacuum bounce?
bad spark
bad injection rates, or injectors clogged ,dead or weak or leaking.

me, i watch pendings to see of P0301 , to P030x (x is cylinder num)
if the scan tools shows any misfire codes, i do a leak down
on the cylinder that misfires, 300s is random.

lots of ways, EGR stuck open
AFR runing lean, scan too sees that...
AFR stuck rich, same.
the best order is this. (no clues with extra DTCS
is:
compression test. and leak down. if smart.
spark tests.
last fueling, rates, (fails closed loop at idle spark good , engine good.
i do the the injector leak down tests. and balance,

i also do the cAT melted test. cat back pressure test
less that 2psi at 2500rpm.

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