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Throttle position sensor - CRV

CRV shifts hard right almost when coming to a stop (less than 10 mph). Dealer diagnosed said it was a throttle position sensor, but they only sell the throttle body. $1100. Anyone have this problem? Can I buy afternarket sensor and local mechanic install or does it really need the full throttle body?

I saw similar post...was curious about the hard shifts and what you did to fix?

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Go to scrap yard get the sensor.

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Anonymous

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  • Posted on Dec 09, 2008

SOURCE: 2008 Honda Civic si

Go to any auto parts store and you can use the meter to see what code it comes up with, The meter has the codes on it and will tell you why the check engine light is coming on.

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Mike Butler

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  • Posted on Jan 10, 2009

SOURCE: where is throttle position sensor located on 2000 honda passport

Normally attached at opposite end of throttle linkage. Remove your air cleaner intake hose at throttle body, and observe throttle plate that opens & closes as you press accelerator, it will be at the end of that, on outside of housing.

Anonymous

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  • Posted on Feb 16, 2009

SOURCE: 2003 CR-V Throttle Position Sensor replacement

Try cleaning the IAC (Idle Air Control valve.) by buying spray carb cleaner and removing the air cduct from the engine. On the fuel system side look into the hole and try to locate 2 holes on the side . With the engine running at about 1200 rpms, spray about 10 seconds worth of cleaner at the 2 holes. Turn the engine off. Let the cleaner soak. Then repeat procedure. The IAC can also be removed and cleaned if you wish.

Anonymous

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  • Posted on May 12, 2009

SOURCE: 2004 Honda Civic -Code P0122 Throttle Position Sensor Voltage Low

yes, this is the case of a failed throttle body, in which case it needs replaced, the car is getting too much fuel causing the high idle. this needs replaced asap. you could proably find a small independant honda shop that could do the work for less.

Anonymous

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  • Posted on Jul 18, 2009

SOURCE: Stalls at about 3400 RPM - Everytime!

u could have just replace the main relay and save a lot of money.

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Electronic Throttle Body (ETB) Position Sensor
The ETB position sensor has 2 signal circuits in the sensor for redundancy. The redundant ETB position signals are required for increased monitoring. The first ETB position sensor signal (TP1) has a negative slope (increasing angle, decreasing voltage) and the second signal (TP2) has a positive slope (increasing angle, increasing voltage). During normal operation the negative slope ETB position sensor signal (TP1) is used by the control strategy as the indication of throttle position. The 2 ETB position sensor signals make sure the PCM receives a correct input even if 1 signal has a concern. There is 1 reference voltage circuit and 1 signal return circuit for the sensor. For additional information, refer to Torque Based Electronic Throttle Control (ETC) in this section.
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Overview
The Generation II (Gen II) Torque Based Electronic Throttle Control (ETC) is a hardware and software strategy that delivers a transmission output shaft torque (via throttle angle) based on driver demand (pedal position). It utilizes an electronic throttle body, the PCM and a accelerator pedal assembly to control throttle opening and engine torque. The ETC system basically replaces the standard cable operated accelerator pedal, idle air control (IAC) motor, 3-wire throttle position sensor (TPS) and mechanical throttle body .
Background "Why Torque Based ETC"
Torque based ETC enables aggressive automatic transmission shift schedules (earlier upshifts and later downshifts). This is possible by adjusting the throttle angle to achieve the same wheel torque during shifts, and by calculating this desired torque, the system prevents engine lugging (low RPM and low manifold vacuum) while still delivering the performance and torque requested by the driver.
It also enables many fuel economy/emission improvement technologies such as:
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  • Hybrid Electric Vehicle (HEV)
Torque based ETC also results is a less intrusive vehicle and engine speed limiting, along with smoother traction control.
Other generic benefits of ETC are:
  • Eliminate cruise control actuators
  • Eliminate Idle Air Control (IAC) Bypass actuator
  • Better airflow range
  • Packaging (no cable)
  • More responsive powertrain at altitude and improved shift quality
It should be noted that the ETC system includes a wrench light on the instrument cluster that illuminates when a fault is detected. Faults are also accompanied by DTCS and the "Check Engine Soon" light.
Electronic Throttle Body (ETB)
The Gen II electronic throttle body (Figure 133) has the following characteristics
  1. The DC motor is driven by the PCM (requires two wires). The gear ratio from the motor to the throttle plate shaft is 17:1.
  1. There are two designs; parallel and in-series. The parallel design has the motor under the bore parallel to the plate shaft. The motor housing is integrated into the main housing (in general this is more difficult to package). The in-series design has a separate motor housing that protrudes out and offers more packaging flexibility.
  1. Two springs are used: one is used to close the throttle (main spring) and the other is in a plunger assembly that results in a default angle with no power applied. This is for limp home reasons (force of plunger spring is 2 times stronger than the main spring). Default angle is usually set to result in a top vehicle speed of 30 MPH (48Km). Typically this throttle angle is 7 to 8 degrees from the hard-stop angle.
  1. The closed throttle plate hard stop is used to avoid the throttle from binding in the bore (~0.75 degree). This hard stop setting is non-adjustable and is set to result in less airflow than the minimum engine airflow required at idle.
  1. Unlike cable type throttle bodies, the intent for the ETB is not to have a hole in the throttle plate or to use plate sealant. The hole is not required in the ETB because the required idle airflow is provided by the plate angle in the throttle body assembly. This plate angle controls idle and idle quality and eliminates the need for IAC bypass actuator.
  1. The system has two throttle position sensors. Redundant throttle position signals are required for monitor reasons. TP1 has a negative slope (increasing angle, decreasing voltage) and TP2 has a positive slope (increasing angle, increasing voltage). During normal operation the negative sloped TP sensor (TP1) is used by the control strategy as the indication of throttle position. The TP sensor assembly requires four wires.
  • 5 V Reference Voltage
  • Signal Return (ground)
  • TP1 voltage with negative voltage slope (5-0)
  • TP2 voltage with positive voltage slope (0-5)
Accelerator Pedal Position Sensors (APPS)
The ETC strategy uses pedal position sensors as an input to determine the driver demand.
  1. There are three pedal position sensors required for system monitoring. APP1 has a negative slope (increasing angle, decreasing voltage) and APP2 & APP3 both have a positive slope (increasing angle, increasing voltage). During normal operation APP1 is used as the indication of pedal position by the strategy.
  1. There are two VREF wires, two signal return wires and three signal wires (total of seven wires and pins) between the PCM and APPS assembly.
  • 2- 5 V Reference Voltage
  • 2- Signal Return (ground)
  • APP1 voltage with negative voltage slope (5-0)
  • APP2 voltage with positive voltage slope (0-5)
  • APP3 voltage with positive voltage slope (0-5)
  1. The pedal position signal is converted to pedal travel degrees (rotary angle) by the PCM. The software then converts these degrees to counts, which is the input to the torque based strategy.
  1. The three pedal position signals ensure a correct input to the PCM, if any one signal has a fault. The PCM knows if a signal is wrong by calculating where it should be, inferred by the other signals. A value will be substituted for a faulty signal if two out of the three signals are bad.
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2007 ford explorer xlt v6 first check engine light came on followed by the wrench warning light when shifting into drive now I find cruise control don't work.

Light's on , have a vehicle scan done . Check code's . wrench light on ? .
Wrench Warning Indicator (Base Instrument Cluster)
The instrument cluster receives the powertrain status from the PCM over the HS-CAN. When a powertrain system concern is detected, the PCM sends the instrument cluster a command signal to illuminate the wrench warning indicator. If the 4WD control module detects a failure with the 4WD drive system, the 4WD control module sends a message to the instrument cluster over the CAN to illuminate the wrench warning indicator. On 4.6L engines, if the transmission control module (TCM) detects a failure with the transmission, the TCM sends a message to the instrument cluster over the CAN to illuminate the wrench warning indicator.
Plus The electronic throttle control system can turn on the wrench light.
It should be noted that the ETC system illuminates a powertrain malfunction indicator (wrench) on the instrument cluster when a concern is present. Concerns are accompanied by diagnostic trouble codes (DTCs) and may also illuminate the malfunction indicator lamp (MIL).

2007 PCED On Board Diagnostics SECTION 1: Description and Operation Procedure revision date: 08/10/2006 Torque Based Electronic Throttle Control (ETC)
Overview
The torque based ETC is a hardware and software strategy that delivers an engine output torque (via throttle angle) based on driver demand (pedal position). It uses an electronic throttle body, the powertrain control module (PCM), and an accelerator pedal assembly to control the throttle opening and engine torque. The ETC system replaces the standard cable operated accelerator pedal, idle air control (IAC) valve, 3-wire throttle position (TP) sensor, and mechanical throttle body.
Torque based ETC enables aggressive automatic transmission shift schedules (earlier upshifts and later downshifts). This is possible by adjusting the throttle angle to achieve the same wheel torque during shifts, and by calculating this desired torque, the system prevents engine lugging (low RPM and low manifold vacuum) while still delivering the performance and torque requested by the driver. It also enables many fuel economy/emission improvement technologies such as variable camshaft timing (VCT) (deliver same torque during transitions).
Torque based ETC also results in less intrusive vehicle and engine speed limiting, along with smoother traction control.
Other benefits of ETC are:
  • eliminate cruise control actuators
  • eliminate idle air control (IAC) valve
  • better airflow range
  • packaging (no cable)
  • more responsive powertrain at altitude and improved shift quality
It should be noted that the ETC system illuminates a powertrain malfunction indicator (wrench) on the instrument cluster when a concern is present. Concerns are accompanied by diagnostic trouble codes (DTCs) and may also illuminate the malfunction indicator lamp (MIL).
Electronic Throttle Body (ETB)
The ETB has the following characteristics:
  1. The throttle actuator control (TAC) motor is a DC motor controlled by the PCM (requires 2-wires). The gear ratio from the motor to the throttle plate shaft is 17:1.
  1. There are 2 designs: parallel and in-series. The parallel design has the motor under the bore parallel to the plate shaft. The motor housing is integrated into the main housing. The in-series design has a separate motor housing.
  1. Two springs are used: one is used to close the throttle (main spring) and the other is in a plunger assembly that results in a default angle when no power is applied. This is for limp home reasons (the force of the plunger spring is 2 times stronger than the main spring). The default angle is usually set to result in a top vehicle speed of 48 km/h (30 mph). Typically this throttle angle is 7 to 8 degrees from the hard-stop angle.
  1. The closed throttle plate hard stop is used to prevent the throttle from binding in the bore (~0.75 degree). This hard stop setting is not adjustable and is set to result in less airflow than the minimum engine airflow required at idle.
  1. Unlike cable operated throttle bodies, the intent for the ETB is not to have a hole in the throttle plate or to use plate sealant. The hole is not required in the ETB because the required idle airflow is provided by the plate angle in the throttle body assembly. This plate angle controls idle, idle quality, and eliminates the need for an IAC valve.
  1. The TP sensor has 2 signal circuits in the sensor for redundancy. The redundant throttle position signals are required for increased monitoring reasons. The first TP signal (TP1) has a negative slope (increasing angle, decreasing voltage) and the second signal (TP2) has a positive slope (increasing angle, increasing voltage). During normal operation the negative slope TP signal (TP1) is used by the control strategy as the indication of throttle position. The TP sensor assembly requires 4 circuits.
  • 5-volt reference voltage
  • Signal return (ground)
  • TP1 voltage with negative voltage slope (5-0 volts)
  • TP2 voltage with positive voltage slope (0-5 volts)
Accelerator Pedal Position (APP) Sensors
The ETC strategy uses pedal position sensors as an input to determine the driver demand.
  1. There are 3 pedal position signals required for system monitoring. APP1 has a negative slope (increasing angle, decreasing voltage) and APP2 and APP3 both have a positive slope (increasing angle, increasing voltage). During normal operation APP1 is used as the indication of pedal position by the strategy.
  1. There are 2 VREF circuits, 2 signal return circuits, and 3 signal circuits (a total of 7 circuits and pins) between the PCM and the APP sensor assembly.
  • 2 reference voltage circuits (5 volts)
  • 2 signal return (ground) circuits
  • APP1 voltage with negative voltage slope (5-0 volts)
  • APP2 voltage with positive voltage slope (0-5 volts)
  • APP3 voltage with positive voltage slope (0-5 volts)
  1. The pedal position signal is converted to pedal travel degrees (rotary angle) by the PCM. The software then converts these degrees to counts, which is the input to the torque based strategy.
  1. The 3 pedal position signals make sure the PCM receives a correct input even if 1 signal has a concern. The PCM determines if a signal is incorrect by calculating where it should be, inferred from the other signals. A value is substituted for an incorrect signal if 2 of the 3 signals are incorrect.
  2. your best ,take your vehicle to a qualified repair .
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1999 Chevy Metro LSI Loss of acceleration power, on take off only. I have no acceleration power up to the speed of 10 - 15 MPH, after that the car runs fine.

Could be a dead spot in the tps or maybe it needs adjusting.
here is a procedure to adjust:

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  1. Connect a digital multimeter to the throttle position sensor terminals 1 and 2. Measure resistance.
  2. Insert a 0.012 in. (0.3mm) feeler gauge between throttle stop screw and throttle lever.
  3. With retaining screws loosely installed, turn throttle position sensor fully clockwise, then slowly counterclockwise until digital multimeter indicates 0 ohms (continuity).
  4. Tighten screws to 18 inch lbs. (2 Nm).
  5. Insert a 0.035 in. (0.9mm) feeler gauge between throttle stop screw and throttle lever. Digital multimeter should now indicate an open circuit (no continuity).
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High idle shifts hard but idle will go back down but shifts hard

You'd probably have to take it in to get it diagnosed, but I'm going to guess that it's the electronic throttle body.
The throttle body and throttle position sensor are in the same unit and if one goes bad, you have to replaced the whole thing.

This will cause high idle, stalling, hard shifts and irratic throttle.

I’m happy to help further over the phone at https://www.6ya.com/expert/jason_00b31cc8f593773a

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