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86 port FI, open loop (cold) runs great, hot closed loop, some kinda of limp mode, check engine lite on, Coded egr. replaced EGR, reset computer, pulled ground, same experience, good cold, Hot 1500 RPM max, surges, sounds like vacume leak, check engine on, recheck code, lean exhaust, replace oxygen sensor. reset computer restart with same results.

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    runs good cold leans out in closed loop

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Try the "tap test" on the ecm. After closed loop,just lightly tap on the computer,you may see it change or stall.Mine did that and the ecm was bad.

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The EGR (exhaust gas recirculation) valve

What is it? This is a device that reduces engine emissions of nitric oxides by allowing a measured amount of exhaust gas to re-enter the intake manifold and mix with the air prior to entering the cylinders. The EGR can be vacuum or electrically driven or a combination of both.

Where is it located? The EGR is most often associated with the intake manifold. The EGR will be sited at a point of contact with both the exhaust and intake manifolds. If the exhaust manifold is remote, for example on the other side of the engine to the intake manifold, there will often be an exhaust feed pipe leading from the exhaust manifold to the EGR sited on the intake manifold.

How does it work? Generally intake manifold vacuum acting on a diaphragm draws up on a valve to open a connection between an entry port from the exhaust gases and an exit port to the intake manifold. An open EGR port makes starting difficult so the valve operation is often impeded by an electrical over-ride until the engine has warmed up, as signaled to the ECU by the coolant temperature sender. In some cases, a differential pressure feedback exhaust (DPFE) sensor fed by pipes from the exhaust feed to the EGR informs the ECU when and by how much the EGR should be open.

Symptoms of faulty EGR

The EGR has two possible fault modes either it is a) open when it should be closed or b) closed when it should be open. (some EGR faults are in fact more likely to be DPFE related)
  • Poor idling: ‘hunts’ at idle and generally rough engine performance. This is due to the air ingress through the split diaphragm or the EGR valve being left open, either event compromises the intake manifold vacuum and in turn this interferes with the ECU’s ability to deliver accurate fuel to air ratio for a given engine speed.
  • Misfire and ‘pinking’: if the EGR is jammed closed or the exhaust feed pipe is blocked (e.g. gummed up with baked carbon) the engine ignition runs lean and very hot, so hot in fact that the fuel air mix can spontaneously ignite causing a misfire. The misfire if pronounced can, in turn, be detected by the engine knock sensors and this gives the appropriate on board diagnostic error codes along with the check engine light. Due to the diesel engines creating more soot in the exhaust a blocked EGR is a much more common complaint in diesels than petrol cars.
  • Surging: A sticking EGR valve can lead to an effect of rhythmic surging a bit like the MAF fault, especially in turbo charged engines. Normally on a warmed up engine the vacuum from the inlet manifold opens the EGR. If the EGR fails to open promptly the turbo can be subject to a slight boost. Extra fuel/air mix is pushed into the inlet manifold as a result, increasing pressure (decreasing the vacuum). Without vacuum in the inlet manifold the EGR closes again but if sticky does so only slowly. This may allow inlet gases to flow through the EGR into the exhaust manifold for a split second. There is a time lag in the sequence of these events leading the engine to surge in cyclical manner.


How to check? With the engine running it may be possible to force the EGR valve open by pressing on the diaphragm with one’s fingers. Failing that pulling off the vacuum line to the EGR, blocking the pipe on the inlet manifold and applying vacuum to the EGR to monitor function will determine if the diaphragm is split. Removal of the EGR assembly and examination of the ports and valve mechanism will reveal any carbon build up.

How to fix? If the diaphragm is split then the EGR needs to be replaced. Most EGR problems are linked to carbon soot build up and this can be cleaned using a cloth, brush and carburetor choke cleaner spray. If the exhaust feeder pipe is blocked this can be cleaned using a piece of frayed hand brake cable as an internal brush. This makeshift brush can be further enhanced by mounting it in a drill to sweep dirt from the interior of lengths of pipe. Some cars (Hondas are a good example) have an elaborate passage way system to provide exhaust gas to each inlet pipe runner. The only way to clean these out is by removing the blanking plugs (no easy task) and then using the makeshift rotary wire brush and carburetor choke spray. New blanking plugs have to be reinstated to make good the passage ways assembly.




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