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Cam Gibb Posted on Mar 11, 2018
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Still pondering staying with OEM GM Orange no silicates, phosphates, nitrates or getting hard to find 1994 shop records saying green no nitrates with silicates, phosphates ?

Uuuuugggh :- Net research found info that Asia banned silicates and phopshates due to issues they related it to pump seal leaks. Not clear if found it caused the wear and leaks or didn't want that stuff leaking out. Other info said silicate phosphate form layer on metal for corrosion protection. That those layers become disturbed and cause issues. That the Asian OAT coolant free of that stuff nuetralizes corrosion without layering. Seems maybe my OEM Orange might have been good choice for yrs after all ? Maybe only reason shop pc says green with silicate and phosphate but no nitrate or nitrite is because those records are old not updated ? UUUUGH LOL :- So flustered from so much reading, considering, etc. Recent shop I think advized well saying for age and 180k mileage onlt using it for 2 short food trips/mth, just keep topping it off properly to top of thermostat housing neck cap seat. As well as change thermostat if temp gauge stops dropping bit after warming up, meaning stat likely not opening. Plus, if recovery bin level stops rising after warm up or dropping after cool down, change rad pressure cap feeding drawing from coolant bin. Now I know some pressure needed to stop boiling, but wondering maybe 1/2 standard 16 psi pressure cap, perhaps 8-10, would reduce slow leak and still hold off boiling ? They same if leak gets bad, maybe consider aluminum powder, Alumseal, dropped under thermostat engine cold, to circulate just in engine to get mostly pump leak, inside heat off to block off heater core from possible congesting, clamp stat lid on, run for bit not letting get warm enough to open stat.Hmmm, rather not risk it, will see in time how leak goes. Taking me in circles as to green with sil and phos no nit or stay with orange free of all 3 ? Old 1994 Pontiac Sunbird LE 2.0 lt 4cyl stndard engine sohc high mileage 180k.

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Stay with OEM. Do not use green.

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    Cam Gibb Mar 12, 2018

    Thx much Steve. When I realized steaming leak I couldn't locate, then shop pressure test found out it was mostly invisible hose leak to hot surface with very slow under pressure leak only from pump weep hole, I wondered if the green was needed for integretity of pump shaft seal and gasket. After exhaustive searching, reading, it seems like you say, maybe more likely not.

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SOURCE: Stay with 5w30 full synthetic oil or find a high mileage full syn or high mileage syn/conv blend ? 180,000 kms = 110k miles.

Stay with full synthetic preferable Mobile 1 extended.

Testimonial: "I saw comments saying synthetic oil molecules are smaller then standard. So I'm wondering if since 1994 manual just says 5w30 oil, likely meaning standard oil, I should use slightly thicker synthetic oil to match that viscosity of standard oil ? Say, 10w30 or 10w40 syn oil ? The tappets are 1/2 less noisy now with 3 yr old 5w30 syn oil (few 1000 kms only short biweekly use) as it's likely gotten but thicker over time which is likely reducing the tapping sound ? If they're quiter cause oil has gotten thicker, then it seems they happier if when I get oil changed that I use thicker 10-30 or 10-40 syn oil ?"

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SOURCE: intake manifold sealant repair now leaking maybe oil? coolant b4

You need to remove the thermostat housing again. Then you will have to extract the bolts you broke off. You will need to drill and tap them so you can use an easy out to remove the broken bolts from the threads. Then you can clean up both mating surfaces and replace the gasket and the thermostat. Check to make sure you did not crack the thermostat housing or you may have another leak when finished. They are usually aluminum and break easily if too much pressure is applied or they are corroded and weak.

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