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Diagnosing rear windows not working on a 02 Bonneville

I have power at the switches and the motor on the positive side of the battery door locks do not work and I fixed the corroded connector under the driver's seat tan wires

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Power Windows Operation
The vehicle is equipped with power windows controlled by the door modules. Each passenger door power window can be operated, either from a switch built into the driver door switch assembly (DDSA), or from a switch mounted locally on its associated door. The driver door power window can only be operated from the driver door window switch built into the driver door switch assembly (DDSA).
When the driver door module (DDM) receives a window switch request from the DDSA, the DDM checks the Class 2 serial data to see if the status information is correct (i.e. ignition switch position) to permit window operation to occur. If the status information is correct, the DDM, either supplies power and ground to its associated window motor, or, if the request is for one of the passenger windows, sends a command via the power door serial data circuit to the passenger door module (PDM, LRDM, or RRDM) controlling the window. The passenger door module (PDM, LRDM, or RRDM) controlling the window then supplies power and ground to its associated window motor to move the window as requested.
When one of the local window switches mounted on one of the passenger doors is operated, the associated door module examines the request and checks to see if there are any messages from the DDM prohibiting the movement. If conditions are correct, and no prohibitive messages have been received from the DDM, the associated door module then supplies power and ground to its associated window motor to move the window as requested.

Do you know about computer controlled windows and door lock systems ?

Each door module has its own battery positive voltage supply circuit to use for power window operation, but they are all fed by the same 30 amp power window circuit breaker located in the rear fuse block. Each door module also has a seperate ground circuit to use for power window operation. These circuits are in the same dedicated connector as the window motor control circuits of each door module and are used exclusively for window motor operation.
Each door module also has a battery positive voltage circuit and a ground circuit that are used to power up the module ,as well as, to control mirror and door lock functions. Battery positive voltage to the DDM is supplied through the DRVMDL 10 amp fuse located in the rear fuse block. Battery positive voltage to the PDM is supplied by the PASS MDL 10 amp fuse located in the rear fuse block. Battery positive voltage to both the LRDM and RRDM is supplied by the RRDR MDL fuse located in the rear fuse block. Ground for the DDM is provided through a ground circuit to G200. Ground for the PDM is provided through a ground circuit to G201. Ground for the LRDM is provided through a ground circuit to G302. Ground for the RRDM is provided through a ground circuit to G301.
Window Motors
Each door module supplies battery positive voltage and ground, through the window motor control circuits, to its associated window motor. The window motors are reversible. The direction the window moves depends on which motor control circuit the battery positive voltage is applied to, and which motor control circuit the ground is applied to.To move the window in the Up direction, the module applies battery positive voltage to the window motor Up control circuit, and ground to the window motor Down control circuit. When a window movement in the opposite direction is needed, the module reverses the polarity and supplies power and ground to the opposite circuits to move the window in the reverse direction.

  • Jeff Armer Feb 05, 2017

    The tan wires you talk about fixing ,should be tan with white stripe . these are communication bus between door modules . Simple Bus Interface (SBI)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_nhlqRGN...

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1997 Buick Park Ave, passenger side and rear windows stopped working.

You say the driver window works? wouldn't be a main fuse or fusible link then -driver door locks and window wouldn't work either. Each door has a module inside (computer) . The driver door has a circuit breaker power feed an a fuse DDM fuse 10amp located in rear junction block circuit breaker is located in under hood maxi fuse block. The circuit breaker also feeds battery voltage to the other door modules too. PDM - passenger door module fuse 10amp located in the instrument panel fuse box and the RDM - rear door module RDM fuse 10amp located in the rear fuse box - under the back seat.

Each power window is connected to a permanent magnet motor. The motor raises or lowers the glass when the door module applies voltage to the motor. The direction the motor turns depends on the polarity of the supply voltage provided by the associated door module. The 2 front doors have their own separate modules. The rear seat contains a single module, which controls both of the rear power windows.
A serial digital communications link, called the simple bus interface, is used for communications between door modules and the driver's door power window switches. The use of serial digital communications allows the use of a single wire to convey switching information between the power door lock switch and the driver's door module (DDM). The serial communication is also used in order to transmit switching information from the DDM to the other 2 door modules.
The door modules apply battery voltage of the correct polarity to the respective window motor when any local, or power door lock switch, UP switch is operated, driving the window up. Battery voltage is applied to the respective window motor in the opposite polarity when any local, or power window switch, DOWN switch is operated, driving the window down.

Driver Door Module (DDM)
The driver's door module (DDM) directly controls the driver's door window motor and the express down window feature. The DDM sends window UP/DOWN messages received from the power door lock switch to the passenger door module (PDM) and to the rear door module (RDM) over the simple bus interface (SBI) line. The DDM also contains a class 2 data link which communicates with the other vehicle system modules. The left front power door locks and the outside power mirror are also controlled through the DDM.
Passenger Door Module (PDM)
The passenger door module (PDM) controls the passenger's door window motor. The PDM controls the passenger's door window directly from the right front power window switch or from instructions over the simple bus interface (SBI). The right front power door locks and the outside power mirror are also controlled through this module.
Rear Door Module (RDM)
The rear door module (RDM) controls both of the rear door window motors. The RDM controls the rear windows directly from the rear door window switches or from instructions over the simple bus interface (SBI).
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2008 CTS drivers door switches don't work Just replaced battery All fuses are good

Did the switch work before replaced battery ? 2008 CTS ? Cadillac ? These switches are inputs to a control module , DDM - driver door module . a computer of sorts . A lot of thing's can go wrong with these systems , broken power or ground circuits inside the rubber boot from the body to the driver door . Communication problems between control modules etc... Plus the power windows don't use fuse's , has a circuit breaker for front windows - PWR/WNDW circuit breaker 25 amp located in the fuse box under the back seat , Fuse's are used for rear windows - two 15 amp fuse's LT/REAR an rear ,both are in the rear fuse box under back seat. These rear windows are controlled by the BCM - body control module .

The power windows system consists of the following components:
• Driver door module (DDM)--GMLAN device that receives and transmits messages and signals for window functionality. The DDM contains the driver door switch (DDS) which is integrated into the module. The DDS contains the driver, front passenger, RR and LR window and window lockout switches.
• Passenger front door module (PDM)--GMLAN device that receives and transmits messages and signals for window functionality. The PDM contains the front passenger door switch (PDS) which is integrated into the PDM. The PDS contains the front passenger window switch.
• Left rear power window switch--Provides switched voltage and ground window switch signals to the left rear window motor for left rear passenger window operation
• Right rear power window switch--Provides switched voltage and ground window switch signals to the right rear window motor for right passenger window operation
• Left front power window motor--Contains position sensors and a module that receives signals from the DDM and provides a status signal to the DDM
• Right front power window motor--Contains position sensors and a module that receives signals from the PDM and provides a status signal to the PDM
• Left rear power window motor--Contains position sensors and a module that receives signals from the left rear power window switch
• Right rear power window motor--Contains position sensors and a module that receives signals from the right rear power window switch
• DRIVER DR MOD fuse (15-amp)
• PDM fuse (15-amp)
• PWR WNDW Circuit Breaker (25-amp) -- front
• LT/REAR/WNDW fuse (15-amp) -- rear
• REAR/WNDW fuse (15-amp) -- rear


Power Window Operation
The driver and front passenger doors are equipped with power window motors that contains its own module. Each power window motor receives a hot at all times battery supply voltage and constant ground source. When the right front passenger window switch on the DDS is activated to the up or down position, the DDM will interpret the signal and send a GMLAN serial data message to the PDM. Upon receipt of the message, the PDM will send a signal to the front passenger window motor module on the GMLIN serial data circuit. The window motor module will then supply battery voltage and ground to the window motor to drive the window motor to the up or down position.
The DDM communicates via the GMLAN serial data circuit with the body control module (BCM) to control the rear window functions from the driver master window switch. The BCM is hard wired to each rear power window switch with circuits for window up, window down, and an enable circuit. The rear window switches contain internal logic that when supplied with voltage from the BCM over the enable circuit will driver the appropriate window in the direction commanded.
The rear power window switches are supplied with battery voltage from individual right and left WNDW fuses located in the rear fuse block. When a rear power window switch is activated to the DOWN position, voltage is applied to the motor down circuit and the motor up circuit serves as the path to ground. The window motor will drive in the downward direction until the switch is released or the window has fully opened. When the window switch is activated to the UP position, voltage is applied to the motor up circuit and the motor down circuit serves as the path to ground. Ground for the left rear power window switch is supplied at G200 and the right rear power window switch receives ground at G201.

The power locks work the same .

After replacing the driver door switch (DDS) or passenger door switch (PDS), perform the programing procedure.

If you don't know any of what i posted your best bet , have a qualified repair shop check it out .
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It's not the BCM ,more then likely it's that windows switch .
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What relay under the rear seat in a 2007 chevy trailblazer run the rear lock and wiper motor?

None < LGM - liftgate control module inside the lift gate does .
Rear Wiper/Washer System Components
The rear wiper/washer system consists of the following components:
• Rear window wiper motor
• Rear washer pump
• Rear wash relay
• Rear wiper/washer switch
• RR WIPER Circuit Breaker 15A / ENDGLASS REG Circuit Breaker 30A
• WASH 20A fuse
• Body control module (BCM)
• Liftgate control module (LGM) / End gate module (EGM)

Your best bet , take it to a qualified repair shop. You have no idea of the complexity of these system's . Communication network between modules etc..... Could have DTC'S diagnostic trouble code's stored in the liftgate control module . An auto parts stores can not read these codes .

Power Door Lock Operation
The power door lock switches are integral components of the DDM and PDM. The switches are two position normally open rocker switches. When placed in either the lock or unlock positions, the switches provide a direct input to the DDM or PDM. The DDM or PDM monitors these inputs and sends a Class 2 message indicating a change in the switch's respective position. Modules which activate the power door lock motors receive the Class 2 message and activate the motor in the appropriate direction to lock or unlock the vehicle's doors and liftgate. The modules which activate the power lock motors are:
• DDM (driver door lock actuator).
• PDM (passenger front door lock actuator).
• BCM (both rear door lock actuators).
• LGM (liftgate door lock actuator).
The DDM, PDM and LGM are directly connected to the respective door lock actuator through the door lock motor lock and unlock circuits. Once a door lock or unlock request has been received, the module will supply battery voltage to one side of the actuator and ground the other causing the doors to lock or unlock.
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I have an 02 pontiac boneeville My power windows and my poer locks will not work the lights inside my car will not turn on and my radio will not shut off when my car is turned off and the key removed. it...

Do you know what electronic control modules are ?
Power Windows System Components
The following components are used to control the power windows:
• Driver Door Module (DDM)
• Passenger Front Door Module (PDM)
• LH Rear Door Module (LRDM)
• RH Rear Door Module (RRDM)
• Driver Door Switch Assembly (DDSA)
• RH Front Power Window Switch
• LH Rear Power Window Switch
• RH Rear Power Window Switch
• LH Front Power Window Motor
• RH Front Power Window Motor
• LH Rear Power Window Motor
• RH Rear Power Window Motor
• PWR WDO 30 Amp Circuit Breaker
Power Windows Operation
The vehicle is equipped with power windows controlled by the door modules. Each passenger door power window can be operated, either from a switch built into the driver door switch assembly (DDSA), or from a switch mounted locally on its associated door. The driver door power window can only be operated from the driver door window switch built into the driver door switch assembly (DDSA).
When the driver door module (DDM) receives a window switch request from the DDSA, the DDM checks the Class 2 serial data to see if the status information is correct (i.e. ignition switch position) to permit window operation to occur. If the status information is correct, the DDM, either supplies power and ground to its associated window motor, or, if the request is for one of the passenger windows, sends a command via the power door serial data circuit to the passenger door module (PDM, LRDM, or RRDM) controlling the window. The passenger door module (PDM, LRDM, or RRDM) controlling the window then supplies power and ground to its associated window motor to move the window as requested.
When one of the local window switches mounted on one of the passenger doors is operated, the associated door module examines the request and checks to see if there are any messages from the DDM prohibiting the movement. If conditions are correct, and no prohibitive messages have been received from the DDM, the associated door module then supplies power and ground to its associated window motor to move the window as requested.

Your best bet , take it to a qualified repair shop that has the diagnostic tools to diagnose this . Do you know what DTC'S - diagnostic trouble codes are ? DTC B3377, B3382, B3387, B3392, B3397, B3452, B3457, B3462, B3467, B3472, B3477, B3482, B3517, or B3522.
Hooking up a factory scan tool checking codes and seeing if the door modules communicate .
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http://howtobyme.blogspot.com/2011/11/vehicle-door-panel-components.html
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I have a 08 chevy avalanche the driver side front and rear door locks won't work when I use my keyless entry button or on the inside driver panel. Could it be a fuse? Passenger side works fine I try...

Do the power windows work ? DDM - driver door module fuse 15 amp - location is the instrument panel fuse box , plus LT DR circuit breaker 25 amp. Circuit breakers rarely go bad . The power locks are controlled by electronic's .The passenger side has another power supply ,that's why they still work .
Door Lock System Components
The power door lock system consists of the following components:
• The driver door switch (DDS)
• The passenger door switch (PDS)
• The body control module (BCM)
• The driver information center (DIC)
• The rear door lock/unlock relay (LBEC)
• The reversible door lock actuators in each of the doors and liftgate

The front power door lock switches are integral components of the driver door module (DDS) and passenger door module (PDS). The switches are 2 position normally open rocker switches. When placed in either the lock or unlock positions, the switches provide a direct input to the DDS or PDS. The DDS or PDS monitors these inputs and sends a LAN message indicating a change in the switch's respective position. Modules which activate the power door lock motors receive the LAN message and activate the motor in the appropriate direction to lock or unlock the vehicle's doors and liftgate. The rear door lock switch provides a lock and unlock signal to the body control module (BCM). The BCM upon receipt of a lock or unlock signal will control the rear door lock/unlock relay and also send a LAN message to the DDS and PDS to perform the appropriate function.
The modules which activate the power lock motors are:
• The DDS (driver door lock actuator)
• The PDS (passenger front door lock actuator)
• The BCM (both rear door lock actuators and cargo door/liftgate)
The DDS and PDS are directly connected to the respective door lock actuator through the door lock motor lock and unlock circuits. Once a door lock or unlock request has been received, the module will supply battery voltage to one side of the actuator and ground the other causing the doors to lock or unlock.
The rear passenger and endgate doors are controlled by the BCM through the rear door lock/unlock relay which is incorporated onto the printed circuit board in the LH BEC. The BCM controls the unlock relay by providing ground to energize the coil and controls the lock relay by providing battery voltage to energize the relay coil. The energized the relay and allows voltage to be applied to either the door lock motor lock or unlock circuits. Since the other side of the door lock actuator is connected to the normally closed contacts of the opposing relay to ground, the doors lock or unlock.

It's possible you have broken wire or wires inside the flex boot from the body of the vehicle to the driver's door . This happens a lot .
Fuse Block - I/P instrument panel
Left of the I/P behind the side trim panel
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Rear side windows

This may be just a case of inadvertently hitting the window lock out n th driver door window switch by mistake. Check that first. Here's some background on window operation

Principles of Operation
The driver power window regulator motor is controlled directly by the master window/door lock/unlock switch (and its integrated "auto down" module). Power is supplied to the power window relay and the master window/door lock/unlock switch, and the passenger power window switch when the SEC/timer module grounds the coil side of the power window relay. The SEC/timer module will ground this relay when the ignition is in the ON position and will remain energized for approximately 15 minutes or until the driver or passenger door is opened.
The driver power window regulator motor is a reversible motor that is operated by applying power and ground to the motor leads to lower the window, and then reversing polarity on those leads to raise the window.
The passenger power window regulator motor is controlled directly by the passenger power window switch and can also be controlled by the master window/door lock/unlock switch. Power is supplied to the power window relay and the master window/door lock/unlock switch, and the passenger power window switch when the SEC/timer module grounds the coil side of the power window relay. The SEC/timer module will ground this relay when the ignition is in the ON position and will remain energized for approximately 15 minutes or until the driver or passenger door is opened.
The passenger power window regulator motor is a reversible motor, which is operated by applying power and ground to the motor leads to lower the window, and then reversing polarity on those leads to raise the window.
The power rear quarter glass is also directly controlled by the master window/door lock/unlock switch. The power rear quarter glass power latches also utilize reversible motors. The power rear quarter glass power latches are operated by applying power and ground to the motor leads to open the window, and then reversing polarity on those same leads to close the window.
Symptom Chart Condition Possible Sources Action
  • All windows are inoperative
  • BJB Fuse:
    • F20.
  • Circuit.
  • Power window relay.
  • Front door power window switch.
  • GO to Pinpoint Test A .
  • Single power window is inoperative
  • Front door power window switch.
  • Front door power window regulator.
  • Circuit.
  • Driver door power window switch.
  • GO to Pinpoint Test B .
  • Vent power window is inoperative — quarter window glass power latch
  • Circuit.
  • Quarter window glass switch.
  • Quarter window glass power latch.
  • GO to Pinpoint Test C .
  • The one touch down feature is inoperative
  • Master window regulator and door lock switch.
  • INSTALL a new master window/door lock/unlock switch. REFER to Switch—Master Window Door Lock/Unlock .
  • The back window will not defrost
  • CJB Fuses:
    • F30 (10A).
    • F32 (20A).
    • F34 (20A).
  • BJB Fuse:
    • F27 (45A)
  • Circuit.
  • Heated back window switch.
  • SEC/timer module.
  • Rear window defrost relay.
  • GO to Pinpoint Test D .
  • The back window defrost will not shut off automatically
  • SEC/timer module.
  • Circuit.
  • Rear window defrost relay.
  • GO to Pinpoint Test E .

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