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Judy Whinery Posted on May 16, 2016
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Ok 1990 geo storm 1,6 litre dohc replaced water pump replaced 3 valves replaced head gaskets replaced timing belt car wont start any ideas?

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Hello Judy,

It sounds like when you replaced the timing belt you may have missed the timing marks. You only have to be off one tooth on the gear to mess things up.

For all engines, the crankshaft alignment is the same, there is a small semicircular mark on the crankshaft pulley. That should line up with the triangular mark on the front cover. For the DOHC 1.6L, the marks on the cam sprockets should point towards each other, and be aligned with the machined surface on the top of the cylinder head.

  • Anonymous May 21, 2016

    there are many ways to mess up a new DOHC head.
    sure timing marks top list.
    but would they guess this?
    this line speaks volumes to me.
    "replaced 3 valves" ( id say they were bent)
    who did? you?
    you removed the cams, and not read the FSM
    not how to setup the complex, DOHC engine.
    its very tricky.(lots of pitfalls)
    why not, pray tell, log into mitchells DIY
    and read.
    HOW to do it and not do it all wrong.
    was the head warp checked,
    and pressure tested.
    did you use the sealant on the 3 cam caps.
    did you check for top end oiling,OMG no?
    and the shims, did you mess those up too
    if you do , you burn up more valves.

    true, TDC marks are all same,
    when aligned #1 and #4 are TDC'd

  • Anonymous May 31, 2016

    guess 2: we cant watch you.. do it wrong.
    i presume (sick) that you remove the distributor and now cant put it back correctly. ?
    compression over 150psi. x3
    and wont start on test fuel now, then spark is timed wrong,
    seen many also move the distributor,
    to correct the timing belt slips, (failed)
    then later when the belt is corrected, now the
    distributor is wrong, (as it will be)

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90 Storm, must be in Canada, 1,6 (the comma tells me this)
the storm is a:
The car is really an Isuzu Impulse minus some of that car's more expensive features.
my guess is you drove the this 4EX1 engine until the cam belt slipped. yes> if yes you bent valves.????????????
so does compression exceed 150psi on all 4 cylinders now?
we use the cylinder leak down test in all DOHC .
if not , back to the drawing board.
if yes, the we check spark next, then try test fuel.
when did the engine last run , last week,month , year,?
who did your valves, a real machine shop or kid down the street.
a read shop pressure tests the head ,and warp checks it and
then makes sure the valves are ready for long service.
are the head bolts at 58 ft/lbs
did you use sealant on the 3 cap caps, per the FSM book.
if not , top end oiling will fail. and cams wrecked.

the 1.6l DOHC has no HLA's
the lash on valves must be checked, and this is corrected with SHIMS.

a pro machine shop does the for you,did they:?
when rebuilding engines, its best to read the factory service manual first. FSM so you know the special steps just for this engine.
ISUZU engine it is.



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1.6L Twin Camshaft Engine

  1. Disconnect the negative battery cable.
  2. Remove the cylinder head or valve cover.
  3. Position the No. 1 cylinder at TDC on its compression stroke.
The notch on the crankshaft pulley should align with the 0 degrees mark on the timing gear case. Make sure the rocker arms on the No. 1 cylinder are loose and the rockers on the No. 4 cylinder are tight. If not, turn the crankshaft one complete revolution and align the marks again.
  1. Using a feeler gauge, measure the clearance between the cam lobe and the selective shim on the intake and exhaust valves on the No. 1 cylinder, then the intake valves on the No. 2 cylinder and the exhaust valves on the No. 3 cylinder. Note readings.
  2. Rotate the crankshaft 360 degrees. Using a feeler gauge, measure the clearance between the cam lobe and the selective shim on the intake and exhaust valves on the No. 4 cylinder, then the intake valves on the No. 3 cylinder and the exhaust valves on the No. 2 cylinder. Note readings.
  3. The valve clearance obtained on the exhaust valves should be between 0.008-0.012 in. (0.20-0.30mm). If not, replace the selective shim by turning the camshaft lobe downward and installing tool J-38413-2 or J-38413-3 (valve lash spring spacer) between the camshaft journal and the cam lobe next to the selective shim. Turn cam lobe upward and remove the selective shim. Install new shim using the selective shim chart.
The rear camshaft bearing caps must be removed to remove the selective shim.
  1. The valve clearance obtained on the intake valves should be between 0.004-0.008 in. (0.10-0.20mm). If not, replace the selective shim by turning the camshaft lobe downward and installing tool J-38413-2 or J-38413-3 between the camshaft journal and the cam lobe next to the selective shim. Turn cam lobe upward and remove the selective shim. Install new shim using the selective shim chart.
  2. When the adjustment is completed, install the cylinder head covers and connect the battery negative cable. Start the engine and check for leaks.
end fsm quote.

see those 2 marks, and crank must be at TDC. mark first.

Ok 1990 geo storm 1,6 litre dohc replaced water pu - 26196190-t50uqibptsz0ry0el5zdiz1k-1-0.jpg

  • Anonymous May 28, 2016

    why not log in to mitchell's DIY
    and read the engine chapter first
    almost all DIY head jobs fail.
    and top reasons is not doing all steps correctly.
    why risk bending more valves???????
    this is not spam, its a good way to get
    data on a this Corolla engine.

    this is what many pro shops uses.
    they dont read forum rumors, on engine builds
    ever, nor to I.
    http://www.eautorepair.net/Marketing/Def...

    alldata.com too.

    chilton 0 zero.

  • Anonymous May 31, 2016

    is the gas 1 month old, 1year,3years? old?
    check fuses?
    battery charged
    cranks fast.?
    got spark?
    compression above 150psi on all 3>?
    test fuel , work? (spray can, test fuel)
    runs for 1-3sec , it must and sound good.

    flooding (spark tips dry or soaked in fuel?)
    obviously the head was removed.
    and cam timing must be set.(ask)
    then if head was worked on (in a machine shop since valves bad) then that means
    the distributor was pulled, and with that
    it must be timed, correctly. (ASK)
    my wild guess, it's not.

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There is no way they would leave you stuck with the engine!! However, the odds are that it should fit. First check the flywheel or flex plate. [Not sure if its a auto or manual.] If they bolt on, your are into installing the engine! Good Luck with it! Frankster016

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yea dont let that guy work on it take it to a garage he just wonts your money and is not even putting parts on it

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SOURCE: new timing belt keeps getting loose when it cools down

yes you can get defective auto tenioners.Chage ASAP.

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SOURCE: 1990 GEO Storm 1.6 L DOHC timing belt alignment

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SOURCE: Ihave a 99 vw passat 1.8 ,replaced head timing belt,gear,and cover,new water pump,thermostat,and overheats very quickly.it has 2 fans,1 electric the other is driven by beltsand is with fan clutch,clut

First, Ronald is an IDIOT! DO NOT power wash the engine EVER! If the engine is really hot and you spray ice cold water on it can crack the head instantly! Also, everyone knows' water and electricity don't mix! the ignition control module is $300. A little water on that and its gone!
If your car is overheating, you may need a water pump! The one you got, may have been bad! The rule is, as soon as a car overheats, the thermostat MUST be changed! A simple test would be to remove the thermostat and close it back up! A few dollars for the gasket is all you will spend! Try and run the car without it and see if it still gets hot! If it still gets hot, check the water in the radiator or resivor to see if the water is also hot. If its hot then the water pump is working and you need to check the fans! You can run a power wire to the fan to make sure they are working. There are relays for those also! If they are not turning on, that is most likely your problem! I rebuild VW's for a living!

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no compression is , head gasket failure or rings have lost tension
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Was the same fault there before you changed the cylinder head? If so, that would point to piston problems on cylinder No4.

Are you able to do a compression test on the engine? If there's piston/ring trouble on the 4th cylinder that could cause a misfire because of poor compression.

The other thing that springs to mind is that there's something amiss with the valve clearances on cylinder No 4.

I'm not familiar with your car - does it have an overhead camshaft? Unfortunately when refitting an overhead camshaft after a rebuild, some owners have managed to bend a valve. This usually happens because the engine has been turned during disassembly/rebuild and the timing marks have not been aligned when refitting the camshaft.

This results in a valve in contact with a piston and when the camshaft is fitted and torqued down the valve becomes bent.

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its really an Isuzu Impulse in snack skins (badges)
does test fuel run engine? that is step 2.
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the SOHC engine belt slip,cause no starts, due to huge
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SOHC, keyon, 30-46PSI
same for both. engines
but as all mPI engines it drop running at idle.
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but its no running
ever do a 60,000 interval tuneup with a new cam belt.
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its an Isuzu engine.
there are 3 engines.
4XE1, SOHC 1.6L (base)12valves
4XE1, DOHC , 1.6L same as above but now with 16valves.
4XE1, DOHC, 1.8L bends valves if belt snaps...
note the bad idea of ISUZU calling all 3 engine same name.
a horrid idea.
which one? the second was in USA and Canada only.
the second one was offered as the GSI. is yours that?

so I will attempt to guess for you, its the base engine.
(odds of coin toss)
toss #2, USA, SOHC
guess 3: did a new belt and want to do lash next. Cam belt>
No job stated so i guess 3 times.
Just lash.
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1.6L twin cam has shims.
1.8L has HLA , no lash to set.

HLA= Hydraulic Lash adjusters.

I posted this before, search for it. Im only doing 1 engine.
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storms, those are very rare. and Isuzu is very dead here.USA.
which size engine?
wont crank/?
or cranks ok, but wont start.
its old.
1:check compression, yet, over 150PSI (w.o.t)
2: check for spark at all 4 cylinders?
3: try test fuel if spark is good (spray fuel)

watch scotty
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=064Ilsz8Fzg&NR=1&feature=fvwp

tell us how far you get.......
btw , it really a:
manufactured by Isuzu and sold in the United States by General Motors from 1990 through 1993 as part of GM's Geo line

btw2
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BOOM
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the FSM cover it, so does alldata.com
hint 2, its an Isuzu engine.
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Isuzu:
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he DOHC engine was used in the 1990-1991 Isuzu Impulse XS, in the 1990-1991 Isuzu Stylus XS, in the 1990-1991 Geo Storm GSi, and the M100 Lotus Elan.
all that off the wiki,,
all cars rare here.....

1st google hit
http://www.robietherobot.com/storm/torquespecs.htm

This engine is interference type
so when timed, with a new belt
roll engine by hand, with spark plugs out.? do pistons hit valves.
yes, stop, the cam is timed wrong.
no, do a compression test on #1, if pass, do all 4. 150psi min.w.o.t.
wide open throttle
a better test, is a leak down test. x4. by hand.
these acts of kindness to the engine, saves most engines.

if the leak down fails, the timing is wrong, or the valves are already
bent..
dont use a fleabay china belt, bet a GATES belt. (they last)
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Here is the Info you requested:
WATER PUMP REMOVAL & INSTALLATION
Except Twincam Engines See Figures 1 and 2
  • Disconnect the negative battery cable and drain the cooling system.
  • Loosen the power steering pump adjustment bolts and remove the drive belt.
  • Remove the timing belt; refer to the procedure later in this section.
  • Remove the tension pulley and spring.
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  • To install, reverse the removal procedures. Tighten the water pump bolts to 17 ft. lbs. (23 Nm) and the tension pulley to 30 ft. lbs. (40 Nm).
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FIG 1 1kbron_114.jpg
FIG 2 1kbron_115.jpg

Twincam Engines See Figure 3
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  • Disconnect the negative battery cable and drain the cooling system.
  • Support the engine using a suitable floor jack and remove the right front engine mount.
  • Remove the engine mount bridge and the upper timing belt cover.
  • Remove the power steering belt and the lower timing belt cover.
  • Loosen the timing belt tension pulley and remove the timing belt.
  • Remove the power steering pump and bracket.
  • Remove the water pump attaching bolts, then the water pump from the vehicle. Thoroughly clean all remaining gasket material from the mating surfaces.
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FIG 3 1kbron_116.jpg
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  • Disconnect the negative battery cable and drain the engine cooling system.
  • Remove the timing belt covers; refer to the procedure later in this section. Loosen the timing belt tensioner pulley bolt, then remove the belt from the water pump pulley.
  • Remove the 2 bolts from the power steering pump bracket, then position the pump aside with the lines still attached. Be careful not to kink or damage the steering fluid lines.
  • Remove the water pump mounting bolts, then remove the pump from the engine. Thoroughly clean the gasket mating surfaces of all remaining gasket material.

To install:
  • Install the water pump using a new gasket, then tighten the retaining bolts to 18 ft. lbs. (24 Nm).
  • Position the power steering pump assembly, then install the retaining bolts and tighten to 25 ft. lbs. (34 Nm).
  • Install the timing belt to the pump pulley, then tighten the tensioner pulley bolt to 30 ft. lbs. (40 Nm).
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  • Connect the negative battery cable and fill the cooling system, then start the engine and check for leaks
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