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james farley Posted on May 09, 2015
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Why is my suzuki samurai front end binding in 4 wheel drive

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  • james farley May 09, 2015

    It's not while turning I'll drive about 3 ft in a straight line an hear a pop and something binds up and won't drive any further But I can jack all 4 tires off the ground an it works fine something happens when it's under pressure

  • james farley May 09, 2015

    If anyone knows what's wrong let me know

  • Randy Ohler May 10, 2015

    Sounds like the front differential. When in the air did one tire go forward and the other side backwards? In the air, you should be able to hold one tire and tire the other tire. IF you can't, it's in the diff.

  • Randy Ohler May 10, 2015

    Turn the other tire..typo.

  • james farley May 11, 2015

    Yeah in the air I can turn one forward an the other goes backwards and huh I didn't know there was different 4wds haven't really messed with older 4wd vehicles

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On dirt ,ice or pavement.????

the car has part time 4wd (sorry its not AWD or full time 4wd)

sorry ! "no center differential , is there"



and most not be driven on dry ice free pavement.

the operators guide is clear on this, lost that , sure...........

it also over loads the transfer case chain,.

and suzuki published a TSB just for this illegal actions.

(need a copy?)

its same with real jeeps, nothing new.



see the broken case here.



http://www.fixkick.com/part-time-test.html

  • james farley May 11, 2015

    I was trying it on pavement I didn't know there were part time an full time systems haven't messed with older 4wds much

  • Anonymous May 11, 2015

    ok, good, but it's not a old/new thing, my new Jeep Wrangler. same. deal. it's part time 4wd.
    the old Suzuki operators guides, only vaguely warn of excess wear, and avoid full disclosure on part time 4wd.
    and the inane "can shift in to 4wd at any speed"..... (its has no synchromesh gears in the transfer-case) so shift at 1/2 mile per hour, slow as you go. after locking hubs.

    see the TSB here.
    here they are...
    this issues is , WINDUP.
    so they also published a TSB on just that...

    note the full disclosure here. the raw truth.
    http://www.fixkick.com/tranny/xfr-case/4...

    when in 4wd, think of the poor chain, and all will be well,

    wiki 4wd
    complex.

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If you turn sharp corners in 4WD, it is normal on dry pavement.

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  • james farley May 09, 2015

    It's not when I turn I can drive straight for about 3 ft makes a pop then something binds and the vehicle won't drive any further forward

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    all cars turn, so driving straight,it will not wind up. but as we all know, all cars must turn. the sound you hear is the
    huge stress you put on the transfer case and the full drive line. PT 4wd is not for dry pavement , dry means no ice/snow.
    or its for offroad dirt,etc.
    wiki how a differential works, how the inside tires on the car turn slower, and imagine they cant. oops.. that is WIND UP.

    it's not FULL TIME< nor All wheel drive.
    not at all.

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    http://www.fixkick.com/tranny/xfr-case/4...

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    Suzuki published the cure, and in doing so told the real truth, read it, it's fact.

  • Anonymous May 11, 2015

    they made these for 35 years then in 2004 offered AWD. jeep still makes them, even with the new Grand vitara's, AWD< the books says don't use LOCK, mode, on dry pavement. for the same reasons....
    and btw , if the front hubs are not locked
    you're not in 4wd, as some seem to think.

  • Anonymous May 11, 2015

    oops. i cracked my egg... all you need is one photo. to see what not to do.

  • Anonymous May 11, 2015

    solutions.... drive straight,super slow, and shift out. or gently edged to dirt on 1 or 2 right tires (usa roads) are on dirt or gravel , shift out. or jackup one tire. and shift out. be aware that during Wind-up the transmission may not shift at all.

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SOURCE: suzuki samurai rear end vibrating

Check your u-joints in the rear driveshaft.

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SOURCE: 1987 suzuki samurai

http://www.acksfaq.com/diagram_color_86-88_sam.htm

danhunt

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  • Posted on Aug 04, 2009

SOURCE: wheels making binding noises when turning

I have this same problem with my 1996 Subaru Legacy 2.2 Wagon. There is a Subaru Service Bulletin #16-62-97 dated 5/16/97 with a Subject entitled "Transfer Clutch Binding And/Or Bucking On Turns". There is also an important follow-up to it numbered 16-64-99 dated 09/15/99 entitled "Revised Transfer Clutch Assembly Replacement Procedures" that should also be used should you decide to go ahead with the transfer clutch replacement.

I just got these Service Bulletins from my mechanic who got them from a Subaru dealer.
The estimate was about $700-$1000 to fix. This is more than likely the cause of the binding problem on slow, sharp turns.

Dan Hunt
Danbury, CT

Anonymous

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  • Posted on Oct 12, 2009

SOURCE: steering knuckle for 1988 suzuki samurai

No noise should come from the front when you are driving on asphalt as you are in 2WD, right? If you have been using 4WD with the hubs locked on asphalt, then there's every chance that your CVs are shot. You are, of course, unlocking the hubs when you are only in 2WD aren't you? When the hubs are unlocked and the car is in 2WD, the CVs do absolutely nothing. With the hubs unlocked, and the front jacked up, spin the wheel and listen for noises, and grab the top and bottom of the wheel and wiggle it in and out and check for movement. If there's no noise and very little movement, then your bearings are unlikely to be the problem. These are taper roller bearings and can be adjusted.

Anonymous

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  • Posted on Sep 27, 2011

SOURCE: how long will it take to repair a 87 suzuki samurai clutch, 4x4

Remove the shifter from inside, two connectors to the sensorson the trans at the firewall, remove 4 bolts holding front driveshaft to the front diff, slide rear section of front driveshaft out of the splines, remove 4 bolts holding rear driveshaft to transfer case and slide the driveshaft out of the transmission tailshaft, remove the two starter bolts ( hardest part of the job), leave the starter in the engine bay with the wires still attached, remove the clutch ARM from the transmission, remove the rear transmission mount (4 12mm bolts) support the transmission on a jack, put another jack in from of the engine to pitch the engine so the rear is sagging down slightly (this is so you have enough clearance to remove the transmission), remove the four 14 mm bellhousing bolts (remember the longer one goes onto the passenger side top) tip the tailshaft up to the floor of the Sammy and slide it to the rear as far as possible, let the front come down slowly ( it will barley rub the pressure plate but not enough to hurt anything) presto its out, replace the clutch assembly and grease throwout and transmission splines the reverse these steps. I have done 3 of these and accomplished my last one in 4 hours total. No need to remove the exhaust, transfer case or engine as others have stated on numerous write ups. You will need two 12mm combo wrenches, one 14mm combo wrench, one 3/8 drive ratchet with 12mm shortwell socket, a couple extensions for said ratchet, one small pair of pliers (to hold the clutch cable while adjusting) and a hammer to gently tap the clutch arm onto the splines.

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