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Anonymous Posted on Jun 29, 2014

How to service the soft top operating system

Trouble shooting. The soft top is working hard to open & close. How do I service (oil and adjust)the roof closing/opening system. Does the hydraulic mechanism need maintenance.

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Don't touch it! it's very converluted and even the experts have trouble.
sorry I can't help more. But half the car has to come apart.

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SOURCE: jaguar xk8 cabriolet , the roof will not open en

have you looked for oil leaks on the floor under the seats? My hose burst just above the windscreen filled the courtesy lights panel with oil :( the hoses go down the left A pillar into the footwell then under the seats etc, you have to get the seats out. It was an €800+ at Jag Luxembourg :(

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SOURCE: 2002 Jaguar XType moon roof one click open/close

First check the fuse box, which is near the pedals otherwise you have to take out the button and look for wear/uncleanliness of contacts. Use professional contact cleaner.

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Sun roof won't close 2004 Ford Explorer

The roof opening panel is an electronically operated panel that can be opened or closed by the roof opening panel switch. Actuating the switch in either a forward or rearward motion supplies a ground to the roof opening panel motor. The vent and soft-stop functions are controlled by the roof opening panel motor. These positions are obtained when an internal motor cam opens the roof position switch, removing the ground from the switch. The roof opening panel has an express open feature activated when the switch is pressed momentarily. The roof opening panel is closed by continuous activation of the switch until the sunroof stops movement. This function is controlled by the roof opening panel motor.

Visual Inspection Chart Mechanical Electrical
  • Roof opening panel
  • Opening shield
  • Roof panel frame
  • Opening shield guide feet
  • Central junction box (CJB) fuses:
    • 2 (20A)
    • 29 (5A)
  • Battery junction box (BJB) fuse 1 (60A)
  • Accessory delay relay
  • Roof opening panel control switch
  • Circuitry
  • Roof opening panel motor

  • The roof opening panel does not open or close
  • Central junction box (CJB) fuse:
    • 2 (20A).
    • 29 (5A).
  • Battery junction box (BJB) fuse 1 (60A).
  • Circuitry.
  • Roof opening panel control switch.
  • Roof opening panel motor.
  • Go To Pinpoint Test E .

Do the power windows and power locks work ?

E6 CHECK VOLTAGE TO THE ROOF OPENING PANEL MOTOR - CIRCUITS 400 (LB/BK) AND 1173 (BN/OG)
  • Key in OFF position.
  • Disconnect: Roof Opening Panel Motor C920.
  • Key in ON position.
  • NOTE: Activate accessory delay relay for this check.
  • Measure the voltage between roof opening panel motor C920-4, circuit 400 (LB/BK), and ground; and between roof opening panel motor C920-7, circuit 1173 (BN/OG), and ground.
  • Are the voltages greater than 10 volts?
Yes
GO to E7 .

No
REPAIR circuit 400 (LB/BK) or circuit 1173 (BN/OG). TEST the system for normal operation. If you can't do electrical testing , there is a manual way to close it .
Roof Opening Panel Manual Operation
  1. Remove the overhead console. For additional information, refer to Overhead Console in this section.
  1. Insert a hex-head screwdriver in the center of the manual drive slot to depress the release pin. Rotate the screwdriver clockwise until the roof opening panel is closed.
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Sunroof will not close. Was working fine earlier today

The roof opening panel assembly uses an integrated motor and module to operate the roof opening panel. The roof opening panel motor and module are installed new as an assembly. The roof opening panel is an electronically operated glass panel that can be opened or closed by the roof opening panel switch. Actuating the switch in either a forward or rearward motion supplies a ground to the roof opening panel motor/module. The soft-stop function is controlled by the roof opening panel motor/module. The roof opening panel has 3 modes of operation, manual mode, express open and tilt. The express open feature is activated when the switch is pressed momentarily. The tilt feature is activated when the tilt switch is depressed. These functions are controlled by the roof opening panel motor/module.
Visual Inspection Chart Mechanical Electrical
  • Roof opening panel
  • Roof opening panel frame
  • Roof opening panel drain hoses
  • Roof opening panel lifter assemblies
  • Roof opening panel water trough
  • Roof opening panel rear trough guides
  • Roof opening panel air deflector assembly
  • Roof opening panel seal
  • Roof opening panel shield
  • Smart junction box (SJB) circuit breaker 47 (30A)
  • Circuitry
  • Accessory delay relay
  • Roof opening panel switch
  • The roof opening panel does not open or close - one direction only
  • Circuitry
  • Roof opening panel switch
  • Roof opening panel motor assembly
  • Go To Pinpoint Test E .
PINPOINT TEST E: THE ROOF OPENING PANEL DOES NOT OPEN OR CLOSE Test Step Result / Action to Take E1 CHECK THE ROOF OPENING PANEL LIFTER ASSEMBLIES FOR OBSTRUCTIONS OR DAMAGE
  • Check the roof opening panel lifter assemblies for obstructions and damage.
  • Are the roof opening panel lifter assemblies OK?
Yes
GO to E2 .

No
REMOVE all obstructions and REPAIR any damage. If lifter assemblies cannot be repaired, INSTALL a new roof opening panel frame. REFER to Roof Opening Panel Frame in this section. TEST the system for normal operation. E2 CHECK THE ROOF OPENING PANEL WATER TROUGH AND REAR TROUGH GUIDES
  • Check the water roof opening panel water trough and rear trough guides for any loose obstructions.
  • Are the roof opening panel water trough and rear trough guides installed securely and free from obstructions?
Yes
GO to E3 .

No
REMOVE all obstructions from the roof opening panel water trough and install securely. SECURE the rear trough guides or INSTALL new roof opening panel rear trough guides if damaged. REFER to Roof Opening Panel Rear Trough Guide in this section. TEST the system for normal operation. E3 VERIFY THE ROOF OPENING PANEL ADJUSTMENT
  • Verify the roof opening panel is adjusted correctly.
  • Is the roof opening panel adjusted correctly?
Yes
GO to E4 .

No
ADJUST the roof opening panel. REFER to Roof Opening Panel Alignment - Horizontal Adjustment and Roof Opening Panel Alignment - Height Adjustment in this section. TEST the system for normal operation. E4 CHECK THE ROOF OPENING PANEL MOTOR/MODULE FOR INITIALIZATION
    NOTE: The roof opening panel motor initialization procedure must be done when repairs are carried out on any part of the roof opening panel assembly, including whenever the roof opening panel motor/module has been removed from the roof opening panel assembly, a new roof opening panel motor/module has been installed or when a new roof opening panel assembly has been installed. Refer to Roof Opening Panel Motor Initialization in this section.
  • Carry out the Roof Opening Panel Motor Initialization procedure. Refer to Roof Opening Panel Motor Initialization in this section.
  • If the concern still present?
Yes
GO to E5 .

No
The system is operating correctly. The roof opening panel motor/module was uninitialized. E5 CHECK THE POWER WINDOWS
  • Key in ON position.
  • Verify the power windows operate.
  • Do the power windows operate?
Yes
GO to E6 .

No
REFER to Section 501-11 to diagnose the accessory delay relay circuit. E6 CHECK THE ROOF OPENING PANEL SWITCH
  • Carry out the roof opening panel switch component test. Refer to Wiring Diagrams Cell 149 for schematic and connector information.
  • Did the roof opening panel switch pass the component test?
Yes
GO to E7 .

No
INSTALL a new roof opening panel switch. TEST the system for normal operation. E7 CHECK CIRCUIT CBP47 (GN/BU) FOR VOLTAGE
  • Key in OFF position.
  • Disconnect: Roof Opening Panel Motor/Module C922.
  • Key in ON position.
  • Measure the voltage between roof opening panel motor/module C922-4, circuit CBP47 (GN/BU), harness side and ground.
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  • Is the voltage greater than 9 volts but less than 16 volts?
Yes
GO to E8 .

No
VERIFY the smart junction box (SJB) circuit breaker 47 (30A) is OK. If OK, REPAIR the circuit. TEST the system for normal operation. E8 CHECK CIRCUIT GD143 (BK/VT) FOR AN OPEN
  • Key in OFF position.
  • Measure the resistance between roof opening panel motor/module C922-3, circuit GD143 (BK/VT), harness side and ground.
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  • Is the resistance less than 5 ohms?
Yes
GO to E9 .

No
REPAIR the circuit. TEST the system for normal operation. E9 CHECK CIRCUITS CPR37 (YE/GY), CPR39 (VT/WH) AND CPR40 (YE/OG) FOR AN OPEN
  • Disconnect: Roof Opening Panel Switch C930.
  • Measure the resistance between the roof opening panel motor/module C922-1, circuit CPR40 (YE/OG), harness side and roof opening panel switch C930-8, circuit CPR40 (YE/OG), harness side. Measure the resistance between roof opening panel motor/module C922-2, circuit CPR39 (VT/WH), harness side and roof opening panel switch C930-11, circuit CPR39 (VT/WH), harness side. Measure the resistance between roof opening panel motor/module C922-5, circuit CPR37 (YE/GY), harness side and roof opening panel switch C930-14, circuit CPR37 (YE/GY), harness side.
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  • Are the resistances less than 5 ohms?
Yes
GO to E10 .

No
REPAIR the circuit. TEST the system for normal operation. E10 CHECK FOR CORRECT ROOF OPENING PANEL MOTOR/MODULE OPERATION
  • Disconnect the roof opening panel motor/module connectors.
  • Check for:
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    • pushed-out pins.
  • Connect all roof opening panel motor/module connectors and make sure they seat correctly.
  • Operate the system and verify that the concern is still present.
  • Is the concern still present?
Yes
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No
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Best to take it to a shop or a delaer to get codes, but I think the top latch above the rear view mirror is not clamping down the top tight enough. The second message "Check Soft Top Motion" leads me to believe this - the OBD thinks the top hasn't finished opening/closing. Unfortunately there isn't too much in the way of adjustment that can be done, besides R&R of the microswitches (that you mention are in good shape).
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Do you know how to test automotive electrical circuit's with a DVOM - digital volt ohm meter ? When adjusting the moon roof did you see any switches ? sunroof limit switch
Measure the reference voltage of the sunroof limit switch soft stop signal circuit at the sunroof control harness connector to a good ground.
Does the reference voltage measure near the specified value?
4.5-5.5 V
Notice: Do not open the sunroof glass past the full open soft stop position. Doing so may damage the sunroof assembly and or the roof top.
Connect a jumper wire to the sunroof limit switch soft stop signal circuit at the sunroof control module harness to a good ground.
Turn ON the ignition, with the engine OFF.
Using the sunroof switch, operate the sunroof system, not to exceed the full open soft stop position.
Does the system operate as requested?

Do you know what a wiring diagram is ? Free one's here
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Power Sunroof System Components
The power sunroof system consists of the following components:
• Sunroof control module
• Sunroof motor with the limit switches
• Sunroof switch
• Sunroof glass-spoiler type, with glass sliding above roof
• Sunshade
• Rail and track assembly upon which the sunroof glass rides
• Power sunroof system circuit breaker: PWR WDO 25 A
• Ground: G204

Sunroof Limit Switches
The sunroof limit switches track the position of the sunroof glass through two limit switches:
• Soft Stop limit switch through the sunroof limit switch soft stop signal circuit
• Vent Stop limit switch through the sunroof limit switch range signal circuit
The sunroof control module monitors the limit switches and based on the input combinations, determines the position of the sunroof glass. As a sunroof limit switch closes, the 5 volt reference will be shorted to the sunroof limit switch low reference circuit, pulling the 5 volt reference to 0 volts.
The sunroof control module monitors both sunroof switch input requests and based on the sunroof limit switch input combinations, will control an output to the sunroof motor, to drive the sunroof glass to the requested position.

Sunroof Motor
The sunroof has a bi-directional motor. When the motor is not operating both circuits are grounded. When the motor drives the sunroof glass in the direction from the closed to vent or vent to open position, the following occurs:
• Voltage is supplied to the sunroof motor open circuit.
• Ground is maintained to the sunroof motor close circuit.
When the motor drives the sunroof in the direction from the open to vent or vent to closed position, the following occurs:
• Voltage is supplied to the sunroof motor close circuit.
• Ground is maintained to the sunroof motor open circuit.
The sunroof control module is equipped with a timer circuit which stops the operation of the sunroof motor after 8 seconds.
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No doubt your soft top issue has long been resolved but just in case someone has a similar issue:
I started to open my A4 Soft top externally using the door key method and like an idiot I must have disengaged the key before the soft top was fully down. I was unable to activate the opening or closing of the soft top automatically using either the key or soft top switch inside. I then manually closed the soft top using the users handbook and manual tool supplied. Soft top would still Not open automatically and the soft top alarm would activate. I solved the issue by manually opening the soft top fully and then manually closing the soft top fully. This seemed to have reset whatever had gone askew.
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Open the trunk. Remove the material covering on the left hand side. You will see 2 electric motors(similiar to the ones that wind the windows). One motor open and closes the roof lid the other brings the roof up or down.

These motors can be engaged and disengaged manually. 

First check that the motor's are working. 

If the motors are working. 

Then engage and disengage until they are in sync and open and closes the roof in the correct order.

Please come to me for further assistance.
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