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Lost power to the driver seat and heat for both front seats

I lost all power to the drivers seat but not the passangers. I can move the controls for the passanger power all except the power for the heat. On the drivers side none of that works I have power to the locks the mirrors and windows but nothing for the adjusting the seat or the heat for the drivers seat. the 1 and 2 buttons for the memeory controls beep but the seat never moves

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CHECK FUSES AND LOOK UNDER SEAT FOR A PLUGS IN WIRE, ALOT OF MODELS HAVE THE POWER PLUG UNDER THE SEAT, TRY THAT ,ROBERT

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2008 Ford Edge heated Seat will not turn off. It does not matter which position the on off button is in, the seat and back heat stays on

Heated Seats
This system allows independent seat electrical heating of each front seat on demand.
The components of the system are:
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  • the heated seat module located on the passenger power seat track and cushion frame on manual seat track.
  • the heated seat switches, located on the electronic automatic temperature control (EATC) module.
  • temperature sensors, located in the seat cushion heater mats.
A new heater mat will come assembled on a new foam pad.
Climate Controlled Seats
The climate control seat system is able to heat and cool the front seats. Each climate controlled seat is operated by push-buttons on the electronic automatic temperature control (EATC) module located on the instrument panel. Each front seat temperature is then monitored and controlled by the climate control seat module (CCSM) located on the front passenger seat track.
The climate controlled seat system contains the following components:
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  • CCSM
  • Thermo-electric device (TED) and blower assembly within each front seat cushion and backrest
  • Air filter (attached to each TED and blower assembly)
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    NOTE: The high speed controller area network (HS-CAN) circuits that pass through the passenger seat harness are part of the main HS-CAN LOOP. If the front passenger seat-to-floor connectors are disconnected, a NO START condition will result.
    NOTE: The medium speed controller area network (MS-CAN) circuits that pass through the driver seat harness are part of the main MS-CAN LOOP. If the front driver seat-to-floor connectors are disconnected, various MS-CAN modules will not be able to communicate.
    The front seats can be equipped with the following systems:
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    • Four-way manual seat track (driver only)
    • Six-way power seat track
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    • Backrest with fold flat (optional, passenger only)
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    This system allows automatic positioning of the driver seat to 2 programmable positions.
    • A power driver seat position can be stored at any time. The driver must move the seat to the desired position using the driver seat switch assembly. The driver must then depress the memory SET switch which activates the memory SET switch light emitting diode (LED). Within 5 seconds (before the LED goes out), the driver must select a memory position. Memory 1 is selected by depressing memory switch 1. Memory 2 is selected by depressing memory switch 2.
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    The driver power seat is controlled by the driver seat module (DSM), if equipped. The memory driver seat feature allows the driver to program a personalized seat position that can be recalled using the memory switch or a remote keyless entry (RKE) transmitter. There are 2 memory settings possible. The outside rear view mirror positions are also stored and recalled with the power driver seat positions.
    The DSM is located underneath the driver seat cushion frame. The DSM does not require calibration to the driver seat track.
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    As the seat is adjusted, the DSM constantly monitors the motor position sensors to record the current seat position. The DSM will remove power from the motor upon termination of the seat control switch input or if the DSM does not see movement from the motor by monitoring the position sensor.
    The DSM communicates diagnostic trouble code (DTC) and other information using the MS-CAN communication bus. It should be noted for diagnostics that because CAN bus communication is more robust and reliable than other methods, it may be possible to have limited module communication with one of the CAN bus circuits disconnected or shorted to ground. Refer to Section 418-00 for information concerning MS-CAN bus communication.
Do you have memory or not ?

Taking the vehicle to a qualified repair shop an having a diagnostic scan of the seat module's done could save time an money , by not replacing parts needlessly .
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Electronic's ! drivers Power seat module , driver door module . Do you know anything about automotive electronic's ?

The heated seat module (MSM) controls heated seat operation for both the driver and passenger seats. There are 2 modes of operation available for heated seats; both the seat cushion and seat back heat, or seat back only heat. When a heated seat temperature signal request is received, the MSM will activate both the seat cushion and seat back heating elements. When the heated seat BACK ONLY mode button is pressed once the MSM will deactivate the seat cushion heating element and leave the seat back heating element ON.
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may need dealer to reclaibrate using his tool.

Principles of Operation
Driver Power Seat The driver power seat is controlled by the driver seat module (DSM). The DSM does not need to be configured, however the drive seat does need to be calibrated when the DSM is installed. The driver seat regulator control switch provides voltage to the DSM when activated. The neutral position of each driver seat regulator control switch position is a ground state through the seat regulator control switch contacts. A voltage input causes the DSM to power the appropriate motor until the input is removed. Ground is the normal state of the motor circuits through the DSM and is not switched to control the motors. The DSM internally switches the appropriate line from ground to power to adjust the motors.
As the seat is adjusted, the DSM constantly monitors the motor position sensors to record the current seat position. The DSM will remove power from the motor upon termination of the seat regulator control switch input or if the DSM does not see movement from the motor by monitoring the position sensor. The DSM must be calibrated to the seat track it is controlling. For additional information, refer to Seat Calibration. Once the DSM is calibrated to the seat track, it will only allow movement within the calibrated range.
Seat Calibration The DSM is calibrated using a scan tool. The calibration procedure automatically powers the driver power seat through its full range of motion and records the full stop positions by monitoring the motor position sensors. Once the full stop positions or range of the seat have been recorded, the DSM will only operate within the calibrated range. Any input attempting to drive the seat beyond the calibrated range will be ignored. This calibration is used for all seat control functions including manual switch control and memory recall positioning. During the seat calibration, the DSM may identify a function that is inoperative, such as a position sensor not changing. If the DSM identifies a concern that has a related diagnostic trouble code (DTC), the DSM will set the related DTC at the end of the validation procedure.
The calibration procedure powers the seat track adjustments to the end of their travel, which is determined by the DSM seeing a change of state in the motor position sensors. If there is a concern with the seat track or motor position sensor that limits the travel, the DSM will interpret the stopping point as the end of travel and store the position. The DSM is not able to determine if the seat has moved to its full travel position. It is only capable of monitoring and storing the amount of travel seen by the position sensor changing states.
For additional information on carrying out the power seat calibration procedure, refer to the scan tool operating manual.
Memory Seat Memory seat positioning can be recalled with the memory switches on the driver door panel or a programmed remote keyless entry transmitter. In either case, the DSM receives a memory recall 1 or 2 command from the driver door module (DDM) over the SCP communication network. The memory recall switches are a hardwired input to the DDM. The DDM also receives the remote keyless entry transmitter signals. Once a valid memory recall command is received from the DDM, the DSM moves the drivers seat to the position stored in memory by powering the appropriate motors and monitoring the motor position sensors until the position is reached.
Easy Exit/Easy Entry The easy exit function moves the seat backwards about two inches when the ignition key is removed from the ignition switch. The DSM receives a key out command over the SCP communication network and powers the driver seat rearward. This function will not operate if the seat is less than the travel distance to the end of the track, or the function has been deactivated at the message center driver personality settings. The DSM will also cancel this operation if a valid input command is received, such as the seat regulator control switch or memory recall request.
The DSM will record the current seat position before powering the seat for a easy exit function. This recorded position will be used to return the seat to this position on the easy entry operation. During easy entry operation, the seat is returned to the position previous to the easy exit operation. Easy entry operation will be cancelled if a valid input command is received by the DSM.
Passenger Power Seat The passenger power seat motors are hardwired to the passenger seat regulator control switch. The circuits are normally at ground through the seat regulator control switch. The individual circuit is switched to power when the specific adjustment position is selected.
Heated Seats The driver and passenger heated seats share a common battery and ignition feed. A separate shared ignition source supplies the heated seat switches. When the heated seat switch is pressed with the ignition switch in RUN, a momentary voltage signal is sent to the heated seat module. The heated seat module then supplies power to the heating element circuit. The cushion element and seat backrest element are wired in series and powered by the same output. The heated seat module also will ground the separate indicator circuit at the heated seat switch to indicate an ON state. The heated seat module will remain on until the heated seat switch is pressed and a momentary voltage signal is received, or until 10 minutes expire. If the ignition source is removed from the module, the heated seat module will enter an off state and will not return to ON until the switch is once again pressed with the ignition switch in RUN. The heated seat module is designed to heat the seat to 37.5°C (99.5°F) and maintain the temperature until time-out or switched off. This temperature is maintained by the heated seat module monitoring the temperature sensor located in the seat cushion element, and adjusting the current flow to the heating elements.
Inspection and Verification
  1. Verify the customer concern by operating the system.
  1. Visually inspect for obvious signs of mechanical or electrical damage.

    Visual Inspection Chart Mechanical Electrical
    • Front seat track motors.
    • Front seat track binding or obstructed.
    • Front seat backrest power recline.
    • Lumbar motor.
    • BJB Fuses 411 (15A), 421 (20A), 425 (40A), 428 (20A)
    • CJB Fuses 205 (5A), 216 (5A), 207 (5A)
    • Seat regulator control switch.
    • Memory set switch.
    • Lumbar seat control switch.
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2001 Lincoln LS. Selecting seat/mirror/steering wheel positions works for all except the driver seat. Could this be a fuse/breaker problem? If so, where are they? Is there other possible cause for this?

you may need to have the dealer calibrate the seat with his diagnostic tool. I would guess ariund 1 hr labor time.

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Principles of Operation
Driver Power Seat The driver power seat is controlled by the driver seat module (DSM). The DSM does not need to be configured, however the drive seat does need to be calibrated when the DSM is installed. The driver seat regulator control switch provides voltage to the DSM when activated. The neutral position of each driver seat regulator control switch position is a ground state through the seat regulator control switch contacts. A voltage input causes the DSM to power the appropriate motor until the input is removed. Ground is the normal state of the motor circuits through the DSM and is not switched to control the motors. The DSM internally switches the appropriate line from ground to power to adjust the motors.
As the seat is adjusted, the DSM constantly monitors the motor position sensors to record the current seat position. The DSM will remove power from the motor upon termination of the seat regulator control switch input or if the DSM does not see movement from the motor by monitoring the position sensor. The DSM must be calibrated to the seat track it is controlling. For additional information, refer to Seat Calibration. Once the DSM is calibrated to the seat track, it will only allow movement within the calibrated range.
Seat Calibration The DSM is calibrated using a scan tool. The calibration procedure automatically powers the driver power seat through its full range of motion and records the full stop positions by monitoring the motor position sensors. Once the full stop positions or range of the seat have been recorded, the DSM will only operate within the calibrated range. Any input attempting to drive the seat beyond the calibrated range will be ignored. This calibration is used for all seat control functions including manual switch control and memory recall positioning. During the seat calibration, the DSM may identify a function that is inoperative, such as a position sensor not changing. If the DSM identifies a concern that has a related diagnostic trouble code (DTC), the DSM will set the related DTC at the end of the validation procedure.
The calibration procedure powers the seat track adjustments to the end of their travel, which is determined by the DSM seeing a change of state in the motor position sensors. If there is a concern with the seat track or motor position sensor that limits the travel, the DSM will interpret the stopping point as the end of travel and store the position. The DSM is not able to determine if the seat has moved to its full travel position. It is only capable of monitoring and storing the amount of travel seen by the position sensor changing states.
For additional information on carrying out the power seat calibration procedure, refer to the scan tool operating manual.
Memory Seat Memory seat positioning can be recalled with the memory switches on the driver door panel or a programmed remote keyless entry transmitter. In either case, the DSM receives a memory recall 1 or 2 command from the driver door module (DDM) over the SCP communication network. The memory recall switches are a hardwired input to the DDM. The DDM also receives the remote keyless entry transmitter signals. Once a valid memory recall command is received from the DDM, the DSM moves the drivers seat to the position stored in memory by powering the appropriate motors and monitoring the motor position sensors until the position is reached.
Easy Exit/Easy Entry The easy exit function moves the seat backwards about two inches when the ignition key is removed from the ignition switch. The DSM receives a key out command over the SCP communication network and powers the driver seat rearward. This function will not operate if the seat is less than the travel distance to the end of the track, or the function has been deactivated at the message center driver personality settings. The DSM will also cancel this operation if a valid input command is received, such as the seat regulator control switch or memory recall request.
The DSM will record the current seat position before powering the seat for a easy exit function. This recorded position will be used to return the seat to this position on the easy entry operation. During easy entry operation, the seat is returned to the position previous to the easy exit operation. Easy entry operation will be cancelled if a valid input command is received by the DSM.
Passenger Power Seat The passenger power seat motors are hardwired to the passenger seat regulator control switch. The circuits are normally at ground through the seat regulator control switch. The individual circuit is switched to power when the specific adjustment position is selected.
Heated Seats The driver and passenger heated seats share a common battery and ignition feed. A separate shared ignition source supplies the heated seat switches. When the heated seat switch is pressed with the ignition switch in RUN, a momentary voltage signal is sent to the heated seat module. The heated seat module then supplies power to the heating element circuit. The cushion element and seat backrest element are wired in series and powered by the same output. The heated seat module also will ground the separate indicator circuit at the heated seat switch to indicate an ON state. The heated seat module will remain on until the heated seat switch is pressed and a momentary voltage signal is received, or until 10 minutes expire. If the ignition source is removed from the module, the heated seat module will enter an off state and will not return to ON until the switch is once again pressed with the ignition switch in RUN. The heated seat module is designed to heat the seat to 37.5°C (99.5°F) and maintain the temperature until time-out or switched off. This temperature is maintained by the heated seat module monitoring the temperature sensor located in the seat cushion element, and adjusting the current flow to the heating elements.
Inspection and Verification
  1. Verify the customer concern by operating the system.
  1. Visually inspect for obvious signs of mechanical or electrical damage.

    Visual Inspection Chart Mechanical Electrical
    • Front seat track motors.
    • Front seat track binding or obstructed.
    • Front seat backrest power recline.
    • Lumbar motor.
    • BJB Fuses 411 (15A), 421 (20A), 425 (40A), 428 (20A)
    • CJB Fuses 205 (5A), 216 (5A), 207 (5A)
    • Seat regulator control switch.
    • Memory set switch.
    • Lumbar seat control switch.
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