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Check the accelerator position sensor on the pedal!

Had the same problem. Was told there are 2 sensors, one on the throttle body the other one was at the pedal. Check the one at the pedal. Was having the same problems as the original poster had, for 4 years, before they finally figured it out.

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  • Ms. Sunshine Apr 06, 2012

    Just return from the Hyundai dealer, my Santa Fe engine light came on, while on the beltway. I decide to check for the repair that they did cost $726.70,part 282.1035357-3B011 sensor and coil 27300-39700. Had no idea about this site, I was just searching, and you were correct 100% of what they did find and repair. The dealer ran an diagnosis test and the problem was the APS and coil, the cost is what floor me, for I just paid $536 last month because she was making noise, thought it was my drive belt, it was some power steering belt hy57170-39000 and hy97713-26300 parts 101.18 labor 312.74. After reading another person info about coil and the sensor's sit on top, and his hands never got dirty, it was something I could have done even as a woman, I have no problem doing simple things. It a blessing to know that this site and professional mechanic are here to help commonsense people to save money, it make me want to cry, to know after spending 726. more so 237 for labor in these time of inflation, every little bit of information help. God bless you guys. Thanks Paul and Ghost 45, I will be saving this site as my bookmark.

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If this is what I think it is, on the 3.5 Lit V6, you have an APS (Accelerator Position Sensor) and a TPS (Throttle Position Sensor). The accelerator pedal cable is NOT directly connected to the throttle body plate, it's connected to the APS. The APS sends its signal to the ETSCM (Electronic Throttle System Control Module) which in turn activates the ETS Motor located on the throttle body which opens/closes the throttle plate/butterfly. It's a very sofisticated electronic system. Both the APS and the TPS are known to go bad and simply replacing them is no guarantee of fixing problems in this system (often times it does, and frequently it doesn't). You should first verify there is a problem with these sensors (APS and or TPS). They are basic potentiometers (two circuits in each) which provide data to the computer regarding throttle opening for LOAD calculations (ignition timing, fuel injector pulse width, cruise control operation, etc). Best you have this system diagnosed by a professional technician who knows the system.

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I have de same probem with my Santa Fe Hyundai 2007, 2.7 Lts. It loss the power and almost go to neutral state, and there´s and light indicator ON ando chequing with a ODB send a code of P0120. What ypu recomend, thanks.
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The accelerator pedal assembly includes the following components:


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The accelerator pedal


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The accelerator pedal position (APP) sensor 1


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The APP sensor 2


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The throttle body assembly includes the following components:


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The throttle position (TP) sensor 1


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The TP sensor 2


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The throttle actuator motor


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The throttle plate


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• Limited Throttle Mode--The control module will continue to use the accelerator pedal for throttle control, however the maximum throttle opening is limited.
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The throttle actuator control (TAC) system delivers improved throttle response and greater reliability and eliminates the need for mechanical cable. The TAC system performs the following functions:
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• An electric motor opens and closes the throttle valve.
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• A 5-volt reference circuit
• A low reference circuit
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