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Tom Ferris Posted on Oct 05, 2013
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Turn key, no start, dash dead, but intermittent symptons

No symptoms before problem occurred, car always started instantly on key turn and new batt 6 mos ago. The following will describe the exact details that will hopefully help an experienced troubleshooter help me locate the electrical short. Thank you all in advance. I heard a new slow clicking noise from inside dash area just before reaching destination. One hour later, turned key, fast clicking sound, no start. Jumped with no problem, ran fine 1/4 mile and car died. turned key, nothing, dash lights out, first ten minutes attempting to jump - nothing, no spark, no click, no dash. Then noticed spark from jumper cable movement, dash on, started fine and ran 1/4 mile and went completely dead again. The exact same sequence of symptoms and events were repeated 3 more time to successfully get the car home. While driving, the dash lights flickered on and off as bumps were hit. The batt terminal connections are clean and tight, the main chassis ground that includes batt connection appears sound. wiring throughout engine compartment appears excellent (1998) with all original casings and no apparent previous tampering. I don't know about the condition of areas such as under the fender relay/fuse box, firewall throughput and any place a novice would not know to look. The first symptom, the slow clicking inside the cab, indicates when the problem occurred, the intermittency of its two conditions remains (low batt, dash on, jumps ok, vs completely dead) without the car moving (hitting bumps ect.) Thank you for any knowledge you may share.

  • Tom Ferris Oct 08, 2013

    here is update to problem. Advanced Autoparts replaced the bad battery, no questions asked. I installed it and car started and ran fine for 2 days (about 40 miles) and I thought problem was resolved. Today same sequence described in initial post appears to have begun again. Dash lights flickered on and off, Slow ticking heard inside cab when dash was lit, was able to finish drive home (about half mile) and park. Turn key and just a fast click from under hood. I'll see what I can determine about the alternator right now. Denis, I've never posted in a forum before, so still learning how it works. Thanks again.

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First I would look for voltage drop of both end of battery terminal.not a look or seem tight . you have to do it (voltage drop) and terminal at alternator.
now does alternator charging. take voltage of battery
if the problem occur have voltage of battery taken
like I read your problem it looks like wiring terminal ground and positive
the noise you hear is probably low voltage to a relay and the dropping voltage make the relay switch inside relay cycling noise click or buzz

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  • Tom Ferris Oct 07, 2013

    thanks for much appreciated help, disconnected battery voltage low across terminals and won't charge properly, store is testing it more before in warranty replacement. will be back soon with results.

  • Denis Houle Oct 07, 2013

    rate it Tom like helpful in top right corner

  • Tom Ferris Oct 08, 2013

    here is update to problem. Advanced Autoparts replaced the bad battery, no questions asked. I installed it and car started and ran fine for 2 days (about 40 miles) and I thought problem was resolved. Today same sequence described in initial post appears to have begun again. Dash lights flickered on and off, Slow ticking heard inside cab when dash was lit, was able to finish drive home (about half mile) and park. Turn key and just a fast click from under hood. I'll see what I can determine about the alternator right now. Denis, I've never posted in a forum before, so still learning how it works. Thanks again. Oct 08, 2013

  • Denis Houle Oct 08, 2013

    engine stop battery voltage over 12 volts...... engine running over 13volts mean your alternator charging.

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SOURCE: The Jeep has set for about 6 months. A week ago:

Check to see if you have spark at the coil. If you have spark at the coil and no spark at the plug, you probably have a bad distributor cap and/or rotor.

If there is no spark at the coil, you need to find out if there is voltage present at the B+ terminal of the coil.
No B+ could be anything from a bad ASD relay to a broken wire or burned fusible link.

If B+ voltage is present at the coil, the "NO-SPARK" condition could be caused by anything from a bad Crankshaft Position Sensor (CKP) to a bad Ignition Control Module (ICM) To a bad Electronic Control Unit ((ECU) - AKA Engine Control Module)

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Anonymous

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SOURCE: 1997 328i drove it,turned off, tried to start 15

check for a bad ground wire to your battery

Anonymous

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  • Posted on Jan 14, 2011

SOURCE: Had starting problems and cleaned terminal wires,

I would say that you need to replace the alternator. The car was running on the batteries power. When you drove the car, it ran the battery completely dead.

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SOURCE: Haywire gauges

The instrument cluster in this van is really a computer display and it has malfunctioned. This is a common complaint on this van and you must remove the cluster and have it rebuilt to cure the problems. Check the WEB for repair sources. They can also provide complete instructions on removal free of charge.

Anonymous

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  • Posted on Dec 11, 2012

SOURCE: Just bought new battery. Car will give one short chug to try and start but won't turn over. Lights and electrical all are working.

Check all fuses ,wiring anywhere short or check alternatour

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