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Anonymous Posted on Mar 08, 2013

Engine light on and misfiring and want to fix this and get it running smooth

Cylinder 1 and 7 misfiring. WHY?
fuel too lean in bank 1. WHY?
I have replaced all of the spark plugs and coil packs and i am still having a misfire on 1 and 7 and fuel to lean. Whats my next step? could it be fuel injector, catalytic converters or what??

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Anonymous

The cylinder misfires cause lean or rich
fuel trim

A constant lean on fuel trim, is a rich condition
driven lean by pcm to correct

If two cylinder are affected & are together or maybe
not ,then smoke the intake for vacuum leaks

A leaking injector is obviously a rich senerio

Converter only works with the O2 Sesnors to report
back the rich or lean to pcm

You need to get rid of the misfires before any fuel control
returns to normal

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  • Anonymous Mar 08, 2013

    so how can i get rid of the misfires then? i have changed spark plugs and coil packs and drove till light came on again i also had 2 vacuum leaks but i fixed those and its good just have a rough idle and when you are sitting in front seats it feels like you are in a diesel from the jumping? what is my next option to find the misfire?

  • Anonymous Mar 08, 2013

    Professional Help with the proper tools Maybe you have mechanical valve train issues

  • Anonymous Mar 08, 2013

    i under stand but you cant think of anthing like maybe fuel injectors or , headers bad or cats bad???

  • Anonymous Mar 08, 2013

    We discussed leaking injector & rich fuel conditions & converters & what they do What do you want Testing has to take place to find & resolve any vehicle problems

  • Anonymous Mar 08, 2013

    i just want to fix the misfires and wondered if there was something i can do because i dont have the money to take to a dealership and pay for it

  • Anonymous Mar 08, 2013

    You never go to a dealer They charge too much You don't have to knowledge or test equip to resolve at home

  • Anonymous Mar 08, 2013

    so where do i take it too???

  • Anonymous Mar 08, 2013

    Local repair shop Odd question Have you not got a regular shop you use several times a year

  • Anonymous Mar 08, 2013

    no because i am in the military and dont trust shops around here

  • Anonymous Mar 08, 2013

    I don't trust dealers & finding a good shop that can fix anything is tough Were do you fellow buddies go

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  • Posted on Dec 26, 2008

SOURCE: Check engine light comes on. p0171 and p0351 codes found

From Lusty Kid:

I know the economy is bad, but change all of the plugs. Check your PCV Valve hose, 150 rottens them out allowing air to be sucked in, thus all kinds of codes.

Depending on mileage. Dismount the EGR valve and clean passages. If you are really good dismount the throtle position sensor body and clean out passages with Choke Cleaner., dismount where the EGR valves connects to the engine, clean out passages. Also check the hose thats behind this mounting to ensure is not clogged. If clogged clean it out. If not replace it. Is about 1.5 ft. long, connects to the PCV Valve Hose.

When is the last time you change your harness. Can't remember??? Replace it. Good Luck

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Anonymous

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  • Posted on Feb 05, 2009

SOURCE: engine code p0307 cylinder #7 misfire

It could be carbon deposits on valve seats keeping valves from totally closing. You can try getting you a can of motorcraft PM3 top end engine cleaner and get engine up to operating temp then remove one of the small vacuum lines from the intake and draw the contents of the can slowly into the engine.After you have drawn in the contents shut engine off and let it soak for about 45 minutes then crank it back up and let it run until it clears. Now it will smoke like a forrest fire while you are doing this so don't be alarmed,just tell the neighbors you are spraying for mosqitos.This may cure the problem. If not you may be looking at a valve job.
This can be verified with a compression test if this is what is causing it.

Michael Stephens

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  • Posted on Jul 23, 2009

SOURCE: MISFIRING ON CYLINDER 1 VW POLO 1.4 3CYLINDER

I have changed a few cylinder heads under warranty for this type of problem. The exhaust valve guides wear, this causes the exhaust valve to seat badly, giving low compression. if one cylinder compresion reading is more than about 50 psi below the others, then this warrants head removal. It is quite a job, due to the fact that the camshft id chain driven. If you are up for it then once the head is removed, poor liquid into the exhaust ports and see if it leaks out through any of the exhaust valves.

roniecon

Ronny Bennett Sr.

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  • Posted on Nov 11, 2009

SOURCE: 2003 kia # 3 misfire/ runs rough

Replace the coil for number 3 cylinder.

Anonymous

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  • Posted on Jun 06, 2010

SOURCE: Took my car to have check engine light checked. It

In modern cars so much can go wrong to indicate an issue and a computer in the car can get confused as to what is really occurring. In most cars a misfire indicates either an incorrect firing order, shorted wires, bad plugs, or bad coil. Since you have replaced the wires and plugs we can rule those out. Im also assuming after the second engine code you pulled #2 plug and made sure it wasnt fouled with oil, was gapped correctly, and reinserted. To produce a sufficient spark for combustion the alternator sends power to a "Coil" which is in reality a storage point that then sends an amplified electrical current down the spark plug wire to the cylinder to fire the plug. If the car is truly misfiring you will notice a rough idle, fluctuating RPM's, and lack of acceleration. If you are experiencing any of these I would look at replacing the coil. If you arent experiencing any of these I would have the code cleared again and complete one drive cycle 100 miles and then have codes read again. If you still get a Misfire error some other causes known to occur with Rio's are fuel filter issues, gas caps, and fuel injector issues. Although rare, these can cause issues with the cars fuel delivery and emissions which can confuse the sensor in the ECU. I would try injector cleaner, replace the fuel filter, and gas cap . If funds are an issue then based on symptoms I would start with injector cleaner first $3, Filter $12, Gas cap $12, Coil $48 to $200+

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Cylinder misfire spark

how many miles on the odometer, mines 95k.
ah a v6, P0306 is #6 misfiring. 2.5L V6
300 is all 6 misfiring.... oops.
it is. for sure.
misfire is cause by many things, only 3 in physics, but many real world. (compression + spark +fuel rates)
i works this easy, way.
i have a full scan tool not just a code reader (near useless it)
i make sure my V6 (I have an 04) holds closed loop at idle and 2500 rpm. i f not , fix that first.
easy, it is. just look, bingo, Open loop, (out of control)
fueling is out of control.
but, first i do that tune up. in the manual, 60k , 120k, 180k, see?
do that first. , spark plugs dont last foreever nor filters.
then i replace both front 02 sensors at 100k miles. there design life.
V6 has 2 front sensors. (rear can , just sit and be ignored)
if it misfires. now, i toss a coin.
compression or fuel pressure.
i can do both in 30min flat but i toss coin lands on fuel.
i check fuel pressure and its.
60psi, fuel regulator is bad,
20psi, same, or bad pump or bad 12vdc to pump, 8v to pump is bad wiring.
one thing that helps is to find out if the engine is running too rich or too lean.
and if there are cracks in the exhuast near the 02 sensors.
i force the EFI rich and lean watching both 02 sensors in my scan tool
to see if i can force them lean or rich.
on the v6, we can introduce air leaks, to the plenum.
this will cause lean, and the o2 most react to my lean forcing
or its dead.
i can force richer, if i suspect lean or 02 shows lean, by
removing the Fuel pump regulator hose (vac) and plugging hose fast.
this causes the FPreg to go to high pressure. max.
causing RICH>
i watch the 02 and see it go rich, if not the 02 is bad or you have exhaust leaks, or dead cylinder causing the 02 to fib.
you have 2 banks, and both banks are running off 1 MAF
so you can look at both 02 sensors (front) B1S1 and B1S2
and see if both react the same. to my forcing's.

i dont think you have 3 bad cops out 6. no.
if any cylinder misfires on bank one, then bank 1 o2 goes nuts
same with the Bank 2. this can aid troubleshooting having 2 banks.
the MAF can not lie for 1 cyclinder nor one bank
the 02s can lie for each bank,
both are key to diagnosis.
let me give an example say
injector 1 leaks.
causing 301s
v6
246
135 left
this is your lay out.
my guess is its not lost compression (no test guess, mostly useless)
not 2 bad cops one on each side will cause 300s
not one bad cop. as other side would be ok.
not one bad injector.
my guess, is fuel pressure is way off.
but///???
or maf running lean (dirty, spary clean it 12inches away not close)
low fuel pressure
too high fuel pressure.

all comments are for engine with 60k mile service done,
60k, 12ok, etc.



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