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Should the car start without alternator,waterpump and belts.

I replaced the camshaft sproket and the timing chain because it had jumed a tooth and damaged the gear but before i put it all back together including the alternator should the car start. z28 305.

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When you replaced the cam gear did you make sure that the timing marks where in line? If so than yes you should be able to start the engine providing all of the components are installed (ie.) the timing cover,new front seal(recomend you do this),crankshaft balancer,intake manifold,valve covers, etc. you should not need to install the alternater,power steering pump,waterpump and other accessaries at this point.

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18. NOTE: The directional arrow is necessary to ensure that the timing chain/belt (6268) can be reinstalled in the same direction.

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stv~us~en~file=ani_caut.gif~gen~ref.gif CAUTION: Pay special attention to the tooth shape of the timing belt. The current timing belts are not interchangeable with the timing belts from the 1993 model year. The 1993 model year uses a square or trapezoidal tooth timing belt while the current model year uses a rounded tooth design. The design change was made to extend the service life of the timing belt from 60,000 miles for the square or trapezoidal toothed belt to 105,000 miles for the rounded tooth belt. If the proper timing belt is not used, the customer may complain of a "whining" noise coming from the engine compartment. If the camshaft sprocket has a square cut in the valley of the gear tooth, it will require a square or trapezoidal tooth timing belt. If the camshaft sprocket has a rounded cut in the valley of the gear tooth, it will require a rounded tooth timing belt.
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  1. Allow the timing chain/belt tensioner to put pressure on the timing chain/belt.
  1. Use an Allen wrench to turn the timing chain/belt tensioner 70-80 degrees clockwise and tighten the timing chain/belt tensioner nut to 43-58 Nm (32-43 lb-ft).

    1. Rotate the crankshaft (6303) clockwise twice and align the No. 1 piston to Top Dead Center (TDC) on its compression stroke.
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    2. NOTE: An assistant may be needed to adjust the timing chain/belt.

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  1. Turn the crankshaft clockwise to position the feeler gauge between the timing chain/belt tensioner and the timing chain/belt

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  1. Rotate the crankshaft clockwise twice and align the No. 1 piston to TDC on its compression stroke.
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