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Kit Wickenkamp Posted on Feb 08, 2009
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Need resistance wire to repair vintage Ford electric gauges

The IVR (gauge voltage regulator) failed and caused the wires inside the gauges to overheat and burn off the insulation on the wire. Need a source for some of the wire used to manufacture the gauges so we can repair them.

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Use magnet wire from an electronic supply store. Replace wire with same thickness (Gauge)and number of turns.

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