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Anonymous Posted on Jul 25, 2012

Put on a new timing belt now it wont start

I replced the head gasket. reassembled everything timing marks all lined up. its a 2.4 dohc. i havet put the exhaust manifold back on yet. i wanted to make sure it started before i did that. and no check engine lite is on. i have no clue!!!

  • Anonymous Jul 26, 2012

    it didnt break. head gasket was pouring oil. so i had the head checked and milled so thats why the new timing belt. also when i spray starter fluid in the throttle body and crank the engine over it back fires up through te throttle body.

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On a 4 or 6 cylinder in line engine the compression stroke and valve timing can be found by turning the camshaft till number 4 cylinder inlet and exhaust are just rocking in the closed position . ( number 6 on 6 cylinder engine) now turn the crankshaft to TDC. this is TDC on compression stroke on number 1,the camshaft may have to be moved slightly for crank the shaft to rotate to TDC. just reset to rocking position ,line up timing marks on camshaft and fit belt or chain.

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YOUR # 1 CYLINDER MOST LIKELY WAS NOT SET AT T.D.C. ON THE COMPRESSION STROKE WHEN YOU FIRST BEGAN DIS-ASSEMBLY.

**MAKE SURE INITIAL SET UP IS CORRECT OR EVERYTHING WILL BE OFF FROM THAT POINT. T.D.C. ON THE COMPRESSION STROKE CAN BE FOUND TWO WAYS:
1. REMOVE # 1 SPARK PLUG AND INSERT A COMPRESSION GUAGE, ROTATE MOTOR BY TURNING FRONT VIBRATION DAMPNER BOLT..***(MAKE SURE YOUR ARE TURNING IN DIRECTION OF NORMAL ENGINE ROTATION), WHEN COMP GAUGE BEGINS TO READ COMPRESSION YOU ARE COMING UP TO TOP DEAD CENTER ON THE COMPRESSION STROKE. KEEP TURNING UNTIL NEEDLE ON GAUGE STOPS MOVING...THIS SHOULD BE T.D.C. ON # 1 CYLINDER,....YOU CAN REMOVE COMP GAUGE AND IF YOU CAN SEE INTO PLUG HOLE THE PISTON SHOULD BE VISIBLE AT THE VERY TOP OF CYLINDER. CHECK WITH A SMALL DOWEL ROD
2. SAME PROCEDURE...JUST PLACE A FINGER OVER SPARK PLUG HOLE & ROTATE ENGINE SEAL PLUG HOLE W/FINGER...WHEN YOU FEEL PRESSURE BUILDING UP # 1 CYL. IS COMING TO T.D.C. WHEN NO MORE PRESSURE IS FELT, YOUN ARE AT T.D.C. FOR #1

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I need some clarification. Did you replace the belt because it broke? If so you may need to replace the head. The problem is if the belt breaks when your moving it usually damages the head and thus needs to be replaced.

  • Anonymous Jul 26, 2012

    no it didnt break. head gasket was pouring oil.head was checked and milled.

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    Jeffrey Geyer Jul 30, 2012

    ON A "ZERO CLEARANCE ENGINE THE TIMING BELT BREAKING AT ANYTHING OVER 30 M.P.H. WILL CAUSE THE PISTONS TO "FREE WHEEL" AND THEY WILL COLLIDE WITH INTAKE AND EXHAUST VALVES AND LUNCH THE HEADS FOR SURE , MAYME DAMAGE PISTONS AT HIGHER SPEEDS

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SOURCE: changed engine but a non start

Valve Timing sounds off to me (belt driven to valves) You are assuming the timing marks on the heads AND your engine drive pulley are OK, right? Heads could be 180deg out which is easy to fix by taking off the belt at the heads and manually rotating the pulley once and retesting.

Pull a plugwire, shove a rope of twisted tinfoil into it and see if it sparks to block. If you get fire, then my very strong guess is that the spark and Gas/Air compression cycle aren't happening at the same time and the valves are 180deg out.

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SOURCE: timing belt broke bent valves

Hi!!This occurs when the ignition timing and fuel mixture are changed causing an excessive amount of heat. If the engine is running on a VERY lean or rich mixture, the temp will be so high to make the exhaust manifold glow red,. which would damage the catalytic converter making things worst.
You did not provide the vehicle's year and model, but, you should have DTCs stored in the PCM memory. Scan the computer for Trouble Codes and you'll find out if the mixture is in the lean or rich side and you can make the necessary adjustments. AutoZone, Checkers and similar auto parts stores let you borrow DTC Scanners.
Good Luck!! A HELPFUL - 4 THUMBS - rating for this solution would be greatly appreciated. Thank you for using FixYa.

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