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2000 Z3 power top failure

Top has been operating intermitently and now not at all...adjusted pump to operate manually as per the owner's manual...could it be the switch or fuse related?

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  • dj_dbl_j Feb 16, 2009

    I had the same problem a year ago. I believe some of the wires connecting to the motor were fried. The service technician did a repair to the wires, but said I would be needing a new motor for the top. I think there is now a short in the repair because the battery is constantly draining while in storage.. Didn't do this before the repair was made.

  • Anonymous Mar 04, 2009

    I've got the same problem. I've checked the fuses, brake switch, & motors, but have not yet found the problem. BMW suggested that the Hall Effect sensors (which tell the control system how far up the top is) might have shifted, which would prevent the top operating because it thinks it's already up. Have yet to replace because it's an expensive operation - replacement only. Did you have any luck with your problem? Any suggestions?

  • Anonymous May 11, 2010

    The motors run fine if I manually short the control switches to turn them on. I figure it's got to be a failure of wiring or switch in the control system - brake switch, top microswitch, or Hall sensor.

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I had the same problem and BMW told me it will cost 1200 AUD to fix. I fixed it for free. inside there is a tiny kill switch above the passanger side. it wont let the roof operate unless you lift the roof. that was the problem. it was faulty. I by passed it and it has been fine for 5 years. I can't find the switch to replace so when I watch and lift the roof like you normaly do when want to open it.

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Are the top motors running? If the motors are not running, check the 2 relays by the pump motors. They are known to fail. The part number for the relays are on them.

  • greg benton Mar 17, 2009

    If your brake lights are working, then I would probably eliminate the brake light switch. If you have verified the relays at the pump are ok, then I would probably look at the wiring harness. Make sure that it has not rubbed through, especially where the top folds at the hinges. I have seen a few harness cut due to usage.

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Principles of Operation
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Inspection and Verification
  1. Verify the customer concern by operating the system.
  1. Visually inspect for obvious signs of mechanical or electrical damage.

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    • Convertible top brackets and frame.
    • Hydraulic motor and pump.
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    • Battery junction box (BJB) circuit breaker CONV TOP (25A).
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* Close relay - Located at the pump unit
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The brake pedal must be pressed while operating the switch. There is a switch at the pedal that signals the convertible top system, but if your brake lights are functioning, the brake switch will not be at fault.

The system is pretty simple and some quick electrical tests should locate the faulty item.

The Bentley repair manual for the Z3 has all of the electrical wiring diagrams, for use in the diagnostics. You can purchase this at Bavarian Autosport 800-535-2002.
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