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Anonymous Posted on Nov 29, 2011

Car died while driving, cranks, but won't fire, no communication with scan tool as far as engine or transmission. It will communicate with body.

Purchased car recently. Had some engine work done to it, don't know what was done (missing some nuts & bolts & has some loose brackets.)

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Did you say scanner not powering up or you not getting any code.because if engine not firing a faulty crankshaft position sensor or ignition module will cause no spark conditions.also check 20 amp ignition fuse to ignition coils and ignition module,check ignition battery feed 10 amp fuse to the pcm.check at the 16 dlc terminal at top ground terminal 4 that would be fourth terminal top from left to right.and check bottom far right terminal 16 see if you getting getting battery power.if fuse all good no power at terminal 16 your pcm could be getting poor ground contact or problem in the pcm thats not a home fix dealership has to run diagnostic scan test look for pcm fault or wiring fault.

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This is factory service repair info.

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Serial Data Power Mode Master
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Circuit Description
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Will not spin over ? When you turn the key to start ,the starter doesn't engage an spin the engine ? Dash light's come , headlamps come on bright ? Battery good , charged ? No codes ? just engine ,OBD 2 codes ? BCM codes ? How or what did you use to check codes ? code reader , scan tool ? A professional type that can read BCM - body control module codes ? Do you have any idea how complex the electronic's are on this vehicle ? Do you know what happen's when you turn the key to start ?

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Test Description
The numbers below refer to the step numbers on the diagnostic table.

  1. Lack of communication may be due to a partial malfunction of the class 2 serial data circuit or due to a total malfunction of the class 2 serial data circuit. The specified procedure will determine the particular condition.

  2. This step is checking for DTCs in the BCM.

  3. This step is checking for RAP specific DTCs.

Step

Action

Yes

No

1

Install a scan tool.

Does the scan tool power up?
Go to Step 2
Go to Scan Tool Does Not Power Up in Data Link Communications

2

  1. Turn ON the ignition, with the engine OFF.
  2. Attempt to establish communication with the body control module.

Does the scan tool communicate with the BCM?
Go to Step 3
Go to
Scan Tool Does Not Communicate with Class 2 Device in Data Link Communications

3

Important: The engine may start during the following step. Turn OFF the engine as soon as you have observed the Crank power mode.

  1. Access the Class 2 Power Mode in the Diagnostic Circuit Check on the scan tool.
  2. Rotate the ignition switch through all positions while observing the Class 2 Power Mode on the Scan Tool. Refer to the Serial Data Power Mode table within the Body Control System Description and Operation in Body Control Systems, for a list of the power mode states that correspond to each ignition switch position.

Does the Class 2 Power Mode parameter reading match the ignition switch position for all the selected positions?
Go to Step 4
Go to Power Mode Mismatch in Body Control System

4

Select the BCM display DTCs function on the scan tool.

Does the scan tool display any DTCs?
Go to Step 5
Go to the Symptoms list in the appropriate service category

5

Does the scan tool display B1477 or B1478?
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Diagnostic Starting Point - Engine Electrical
Begin the system diagnosis with the Diagnostic System Check - Engine Electrical . The Diagnostic System Check will provide the following information:
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The identification of the control module(s) which command the system.


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The ability of the control modules to communicate through the serial data circuit.


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The identification of any stored diagnostic trouble codes (DTCs) and their status.

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Diagnostic System Check - Engine Electrical
Test Description
The numbers below refer to the step numbers on the diagnostic table.
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The symptom list in Symptoms will determine the correct diagnostic procedure to use.
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Step
Action
Yes
No

1
Did you perform the Battery Inspection/Test?
Go to Step 2
Go to Battery Inspection/Test

2
Install a scan tool.
Does the scan tool power up?
Go to Step 4
Go to Scan Tool Does Not Power Up in Data Link Communications

3
Important: The engine may start during the following step. Turn OFF the engine as soon as you have observed the Crank power mode.
Access the Class 2 Power Mode in the Diagnostic Circuit Check on the scan tool.
Rotate the ignition switch through all positions while observing the Class 2 Power Mode on the Scan Tool. Refer to the Serial Data Power Mode table within the Body Control System Description and Operation in Body Control System for a list of the power mode states that correspond to each ignition switch position.
Does the Class 2 Power Mode parameter reading match the ignition switch position for all the selected positions?
Go to Step 4
Go to Power Mode Mismatch in Body Control System

4
Turn ON the ignition, with the engine OFF.
Attempt to communicate with each module on the class 2 serial data circuit:
• The body control module (BCM)
• The driver information center (DIC)
• The instrument panel cluster (IPC)
• The powertrain control module (PCM)
Does the scan tool communicate with any module on the class 2 serial data circuit?
Go to Step 5
Go to Scan Tool Does Not Communicate with Class 2 Device in Data Link Communications

5
Select the Display DTCs function for each module. If using a Tech 2, use the Class 2 DTC Check feature in order to determine which modules have DTCs set.
Record all of the displayed DTCs the DTC status and the module which set the DTC.
Does the scan tool display any DTCs?
Go to Step 6
Go to Symptoms - Engine Electrical

6
Does the scan tool display any DTC beginning with "U"?
Go to Diagnostic Trouble Code (DTC) List in Data Link Communications
Go to Step 7

7
Does the scan tool display any DTC beginning with "B"?
Go to Diagnostic Trouble Code (DTC) List in Body Control Systems
Go to Diagnostic Trouble Code (DTC)

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This is what would be done at the dealer or any good repair shop !
Perform the following preliminary inspections:
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Ensure that the battery is fully charged. Refer to Battery Inspection/Test .


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Ensure that the battery cables are clean and tight.


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Inspect for any open fuses.


Refer to Power Distribution Schematics and Electrical Center Identification Views .


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Inspect the easily accessible systems or the visible system components for obvious damage or conditions that could cause the symptom.


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Ensure that the grounds are clean, tight, and in the correct location.


Refer to Ground Distribution Schematics and Power and Grounding Component Views .


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Inspect for aftermarket devices that could affect the operation of the system. Refer to Checking Aftermarket Accessories .


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Search for applicable service bulletins.

Did you find and correct the condition?
System OK
Go to Step 2

2

Install a scan tool.
Does the scan tool power up?
Go to Step 3
Go to Scan Tool Does Not Power Up

3

  1. Turn ON the ignition, with the engine OFF.
  2. Attempt to establish communication with all of the control modules on the vehicle. Refer to Scan Tool Does Not Communicate with Class 2 Device for the modules you should expect to observe.
Does the scan tool communicate with all of the expected vehicle control modules
Important:
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To ensure that retained accessory power (RAP) mode is inactive, if equipped, open the drivers door during the following step.


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The engine may start during the following step. Turn OFF the engine as soon as you have observed the crank power mode.

  1. Access the Power Mode parameter on the scan tool.
  2. Rotate the ignition switch, operate the ignition mode switch, through all positions while observing the Power Mode parameter. Refer to Body Control System Description and Operation for a list of the power mode states that correspond with each switch position.
Does the Power Mode parameter reading on the scan tool match the ignition switch position for all switch positions?
Go to Step 5
Go to Power Mode Mismatch

5

Attempt to start the engine.
Does the engine crank?
Go to Step 6
Go to Symptoms - Engine Electrical

2

Turn the ignition to the START position.
Does the engine crank?
Go to Testing for Intermittent Conditions and Poor Connections
Go to Step 3

3

  1. Install a scan tool.
  2. Turn ON the ignition, with the engine OFF.
  3. Verify that the transmission is in Park or Neutral.
  4. With a scan tool, observe the IMS parameter in the powertrain control module (PCM)/engine control module (ECM) data list.
Does the scan tool display Park or Neutral?
Go to Step 4
Go to Range Selector Displays Incorrect Range

4

  1. Turn ON the ignition, with the engine OFF.
  2. With a scan tool, observe the Starter Relay Command parameter in the PCM/ECM data list.
  3. Turn the ignition to the START position.
Does the scan tool display Yes?
Go to Step 6
Go to Step 5
With all the modules on your vehicle you really need to start with a professional grade scan tool to see if all are communicating .
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This is the way you start diagnosing this system !
Automatic Level Control Diagnostic System Check
Install a scan tool. Does the scan tool power up?
Go to Step 2
Go to Scan Tool Does Not Power Up in Data Link Communications

2
  1. Turn ON the ignition, with the engine OFF.
  2. Attempt to establish communication with the Rear Integrated Module (RIM).
Does the scan tool communicate with the RIM?
Go to Step 3
Go to Scan Tool Does Not Communicate with Class 2 Device in Data Link Communications
Select the automatic level control display DTC function on the scan tool.
Does the scan tool display any DTCs?
Go to Step 4
Go to Symptoms

4
Does the scan tool display any DTCs which begin with a "U"?
Go to Scan Tool Does Not Communicate with Class 2 Device in Data Link Connector Diagnosis
Go to Step 5

5

Does the scan tool display DTC B1007 or B1009?
Go to Diagnostic Trouble Code (DTC) List/Type in Body Control System
Go to Step 6

6

Does the scan tool display DTC B1327?
Go to Diagnostic Trouble Code (DTC) List/Type in Engine Electrical
Go to Diagnostic Trouble Code (DTC) List/Type
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The automatic transmission shift lock control system is a safety device that prevents an inadvertent shift out of PARK when the engine is running. The driver must press the brake pedal before moving the shift lever out of the PARK position. The system consists of the following components.
• The automatic transmission shift lock control solenoid
• The brake switch
• The rear integration module (RIM)
• The transmission control module (TCM) or powertrain control module (PCM)
With the ignition ON, battery positive voltage is supplied to the automatic transmission shift lock control solenoid from the ignition 3 relay. The automatic transmission shift lock control solenoid is controlled by the rear integration module. When the rear integration module (RIM) receives a class 2 serial data message from the transmission control module (TCM) or powertrain control module (PCM) indicating that the shift lever is in the PARK position the rear integration module (RIM) grounds the automatic transmission shift lock control solenoid control circuit. This causes the solenoid to energize mechanically locking the shift lever in the PARK position. When the driver presses the brake pedal the rear integration module receives the brake applied signal and turns off the ground to the automatic transmission shift lock control solenoid control circuit. This allows the shift lever to be moved out of the PARK position.

Step
Action
Yes
No
1
Install a scan tool.
Does the scan tool power up?
YES - Go to Step 2
NO - Go to Scan Tool Does Not Communicate with Class 2 Device in Data Link Communications
2
Turn ON the ignition, with the engine OFF.
Attempt to establish communication with the Powertrain Control Module (PCM) and the Rear Integration Module (RIM).
Does the scan tool communicate with the PCM and the RIM?
YES - Go to Step 3
NO - Go to Scan Tool Does Not Communicate with Class 2 Device in Data Link Communications
3
Important: The engine may start during the following step. Turn OFF the engine as soon as you have observed the Crank power mode.
Access the Ignition Switch parameter in the rear integration module (RIM) inputs data display list.
Rotate the ignition switch through all positions while observing the ignition switch power mode parameter.
Does the ignition switch parameter reading match the ignition switch position for all switch positions?
YES - Go to Step 4
NO - Go to Power Mode Mismatch in Body Control System
4
Select the display DTCs function on the scan tool for the PCM and the RIM.
Does the scan tool display any DTCs for the PCM or the RIM?
YES - Go to Step 5
NO - Go to Symptoms - Automatic Transmission Shift Lock Control
5
Does the scan tool display any DTCs which begin with a "U"?
YES - Go to Diagnostic Trouble Code (DTC) List in Data Link Communications
NO - Go to Step 6
6
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YES - Go to Diagnostic Trouble Code (DTC) List in Body Control System
No - Go to Step 7
7
Does the scan tool display DTC B1327?
YES - Go to Diagnostic Trouble Code (DTC) List in Engine Electrical
NO - Go to Symptoms - Automatic Transmission Shift Lock Control

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