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Billy Leeth Posted on Oct 28, 2011
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Why is scanner showing DTC P01365 Ingnition Coil #5 Control Circuit Low Voltage and have Missfire on #1 cyl

Replace coil pack for 1,3,5 cyl. Still have same issue.

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Because you have a bad #5 coil, and a bad plug in the number one cylinder.
Or because your wires are leaking would do it too.

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