Having trouble with a 2003 Honda Accord 4cyl. with
check all fuses first. all under dash and hood.also if car has immoblizer, make sure its light is not showingthat it is blocking starts, RTM read the op guide. its there.lost? get one they are free.LX model, great fact. non here ever do.. bravo. and 2.4L !!!id not buy toilet paper from the ZONE, end rant. my guess above is , random no Crank?answer, you got Zoned ! first off, the reason you failed is the total lack of diagnosis or books(FSM) showing you how it all works, working blind and toolless is a total shoot.my guess is they finally found it at the dealer.?if the alternator is dead, the battery goes dead and then the starter can never receive pull power to run. dead, starter (no crank) is the end play.when any car ( is this a A/T car?) if the starter is dead, the firstthing to do is wiggle the silly shift lever. see if the PRNLD switchis bad and KILLIING the start key line. (ST) if not?, i connect my $10 voltmeter to my battery,is there 12.6vdc there (that magic number means 100% charged)aka.SOC state of charge, if not the battery IS discharged (warm weather #) so I chargeit with ,yes, a battery charger and behold the engine starts.lets pretend it does not start, but does hold 10v cranking.yes, then battery is good.but say, the starter is dead, so i then hot wire the side connector on the starter, the solenoid small pin, (remove wire , Faston conn.)the starter works. and cranks engine (keys in pocket)yes, good starter (engine didnt start ,keys in pocket reason)no, the ZONE POS is dead. i have 10v to 12v to starter lugat all times. bad starter, (assumes engine not seized)now pretend power to starter 12v is ok and the key line works hot wired, i then know the key line is dead. (or intermittant)so check this line to the PRNL switch, on side of the slushpump A/T , it shows. i have no key line power, turning the ign, key. to start. so find the input pin to PRNL and it goes to 12v, when i key on, bingo, bad PRNL switch, lets way it fails input test.so the line to the key is bad, cut or the key switch it self is bad.in cars, anything can fail, using the correct schematic takes youto the point of failure, for the cost of $10 meter. do not buy zoned parts, go to anyone else, NAPA is best, or Honda, $$$ or , pepboys, or advanced auto. or O\'reallys(puns) never buy zone, they sell china noname parts. some of it is pure junk (IMO) and or horrid rebuilds by NON PRO.\'sbtw the car does have a starter relay, and was clicking, a hint thatthe key start position is ok.the PRNL actually enables the starter relay. the relay must close key ST position, and you must getsmall black-white wire to the starter (can sag to 11v)if not the relay is bad. or the power to the relay is weak.what i do is check all 4 wires on the relay, pin 2 and 4, 11v to 12v cranking, in the north pole , may be 10v.sag.no locaton stated or out door temps,, all important....pin 3 goes to ground voltage 0 to 0.5v only when cranking.pin 4 will read the same cranking as pin 2 and 4, if not the relay is bad. keep in mind the starter solenoid goes dead below 8v.if fact the solenoid will chatter at 8v. we never let it get there. ever.if in the north pole, we use a huge CCA rated battery, to make sure it starts down to -40f. , ok now the alternator, whew!the alt.key on, does the charge lamp glow? if not fix that now, I start the engine, the charge lamp must go out, , if not fix that next.the battery voltage,running is 13.3, to 15vdc..if not the alternator is out to lunch (DOA) or bad wires, bad grounds. or other reasons, (ask)now zoned 2:id bet dollars to donuts Zone cant check this new tech, fancy alternator, (it uses PCM (EFI brain) ) logic and controls.the PCM connects to the alt and partially controls the internalregulator of the ALT.the ALT has its own 100amp fuse under hood, (box)if blown , dead alt.The PCM runs the dash charge gauge via CAN communications .personally id never plug any Zoned part in to my PCM (ever price a new PCM>?)btw fuse 18 also kills the ALT. it kills the regulator dead. and many other things,the fsm shows all this.... read the FSM> Im looking now..... last , did you ever consider using a scan tool, and see of it reportserrors, it can report power loss on many newer cars, in fact , many places...... (that is why the say take it to honda to use the smarter scan tools, with factory codes....)last , your car has a ELD, in the cab fuse box.Electronic load detector, (can and will go bad)it detects higher loads and shifts the ALT, to more ouput power.(saves fuel , dig?) but one more part to fails as all do some day.if you need full docs, cheapgo to alldata.com it\'s all there, with full schematics.the above is a wild guess, if i had car , id see lots of other symptoms and follow a whole new path.the above is just to show some common tests, and paths.RECAP:1: stay out of the Zoned. (IMO) lowest price means nothing...2: get the FSM and see the truth. or alldata.com or michells3: get a meter and find the failure path.diagnosing this advanced, fuel saving alternator is not easyguessing is not going to work most the time.parting shot, there is no honda ELD schematic, and it measures the 100amp line to the battery for drain factors.if that part fails there, then the starter can fail.the ELD allows for the first time , that it can effect both charging and starting. the only path is to use a voltmeter to see the illegalvoltage drops. before working on any of this, (removing things) pull the negativebattery terminal lug. so you dont blow up the a battery at the first accidental short you cause, or cause a huge load dump.causing expensive PCM death. (etc)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYVWmQE5tDk